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to my father and held his hand and he

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Alejandro are you doing anything

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exciting for Thanksgiving I know it's

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just in America we have a lot of other

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listeners but it's one of my favorite

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holidays I have it's very festive I

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enjoy it good no I asked you a question

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and then I oh you were asking me if I

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did some I'm doing something special

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yeah um you know what the typical dinner

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of fun and having some family in town I

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so yeah it should be fun I mean I like

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loved one so I am definitely looking

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and I both watched arrival and I don't

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listened I mean who haven't watched it

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movie I thought it was great and what

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more like contact so it's not a

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effects and I was glad that they weren't

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the topic than it was on special effects

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craft of course and creatures but you

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the human nature and that is you know

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that very accurately oh yeah and I think

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thinking about the different you know

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scenarios and things maybe you have when

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think of that were brought up in this

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movie yeah and good actors not a

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big-name actress but really good actress

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in that and again the movie is called a

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rival and if you're into this topic i

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really suggest to check it out it's a

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great movie I give it a thumbs up two

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very good they'll understand have to

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alright so anything going on in the UFO

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world no okay all right well I'll talk

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to you next week then all right I have a

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good Thanksgiving happy turkey day right

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so there are a couple of things

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happening oh I wrote a story yesterday

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that I'm proud of that I hope you let me

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share yes new please but I think it's

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interesting so I wanted to wait until

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this whole Podesta email thing was

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finished wait till the elections was

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actually been brewing I've been saving

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information conversing with people

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and then I wanted to finally take a look

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back what a story that came out of the

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WikiLeaks and I think that I've got it

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and I highlighted it and really what I

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seen here and there is a guy who emails

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me and I think him at the end of the

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story named elephant in the room and he

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had kind of just ideas and he was really

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helpful

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playing putting giving me a couple

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pieces of information I was not aware of

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but in these emails Tom DeLonge of

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course we talked about this meeting he

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had with these two generals one of them

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who worked at wright-patterson was in

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charge of research labs one of them who

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worked with the commanders of Space

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Command and then this private guy worked

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in the private sector who worked with

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Lockheed skunkworks who of course is in

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charge of area 51 so and Podesta John

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Podesta Hillary's campaign manager

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arranged all this so the top of the top

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would want to talk to well interesting

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enough what's interesting about this is

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that actually Tom DeLonge seemed to be a

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little disappointed in the meeting he

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wrote an email that we can see after the

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meeting saying that McCasland who is the

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wright-patterson general McDo long says

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tupid essay he mentioned he's a skeptic

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he's not I've been working with him for

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four months I just got done giving him a

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four-hour presentation of the entire

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project a few weeks ago he goes on to

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say that McCasland actually helped him

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assemble his advisory team he also made

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note that of course McCaslin was in

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charge of the labs at wright-patterson

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which is where he says you know that the

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Roswell craft was taken so DeLong

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and everything now I spoke with grant

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Cameron and we debated a bit but you

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knew who they were going into a meeting

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with they knew they were going in with

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Tom DeLonge who believes that aliens or

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you know technology has been back in

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engineered from from crash UFOs he

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believes in Roswell stuff like this he

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shared that in fact that's what his

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project is about about UFOs and

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back-engineering so why would they talk

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to him what's even more interesting of

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course is that that Tom DeLonge says

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this guy advised him and helped him come

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up with his group of people well looking

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back and other comments Tom DeLonge has

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made including on Facebook he says for

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instance he talks about landing at a

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tarmac walking off the plane meeting a

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guy in his 60s who's a multi star

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general they began to talk and this

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general told him that we found a

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life-form

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tom says he said I need help getting

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this story out to young adults and the

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general said what do you need and Tom

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a team of advisers well so essentially

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McCaslin helped him come up with

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advisers and told him that they had

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found a body so I mean I think that's

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really significant and the question here

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screamed saucers some people may be

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familiar with him he's in the UK and he

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has a different aspect he's been writing

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on mysterious universe a blog about how

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Tom DeLonge could be a victim of

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disinformation from the military hmm and

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there have been situations where the

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military has approached the media say

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said hey we're going to give you

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information proof that we we've

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interacted with aliens that you can

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release to the public and then later on

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at later stages they say nope sorry we

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can't do that when the only child for

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one yeah Linda Moulton Howe the person

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who approached her was Richard Doty and

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that and I embedded my videos were

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do a whole analysis on that whole

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situation but Robbie has been writing

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about more so those are kind of two

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perspectives there's grant who's saying

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oh no this is happening the general

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probably does want to release this

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information he's working with Tom

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DeLonge to do it

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there's Robbie saying no he's a victim

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of disinformation he's just falling prey

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similar to what these other people have

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done the thing is in both of these

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scenarios that we would find out soon so

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in other words if grant is right like

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grant says I even come January he says

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we're gonna know because the next step

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will will be taken and they'll release

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some information and some sort of you

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know a step towards UFO to the

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disclosure will be happening in the

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Robbie scenario then the military at

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some point maybe even using these wiki

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leaks because they probably weren't

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expecting these wiki leaks but maybe

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you've been using them as an excuse

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saying oh we can't work with you anymore

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Tom DeLonge we've told you all this

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important stuff but now we can't give

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you that proof or anything to move

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forward which is what they did in the

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past they said so sorry and walked away

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another scenario is is that they just

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have an interest in UFOs like John

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Podesta and they do want to help him out

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but even if that's the case you know

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they're helping someone out who's

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essentially saying like especially with

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this McCaslin general that he's part of

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this major cover-up covering up this

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alien technology they got from the

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Roswell crash that they are holding at

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wright-patterson Air Force Base so it's

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just really weird

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it's an odd mystery I think it's it's

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really interesting and we're probably

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not done because so long has said he's

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still working on all of this you know we

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know Podesta is still into UFOs we don't

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know what he thinks of all of this but I

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think it's just a really incredible

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really interesting mystery that's posed

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here and even if Robbie's right and it's

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disinformation the military's kind of

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got busted in the past we don't really

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have names or anything

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but in this case we do no McCaslin was

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at least attending this meeting and

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everything and you know Tom DeLonge

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didn't mean to call him out or name him

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but now he is named so well dodi's been

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named in the past as far as judy was

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named Dodi named himself yeah so but

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Dodi also says he was he had his own

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handlers who he has not like Vogue who

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they are yeah so and people question

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whether or not he did have handlers or

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not so yeah it's really weird I think

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it's a really great mystery so I've

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outlined all of this for people on this

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on this a story I wrote recently Wow

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great and are you gonna reach out to Tom

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yourself because I know he was on open

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minds at one time right yeah I mean he

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we've interviewed him we used to have a

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website called strange times where he

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would repost our work with our

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permission with links back to us so we

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did have somewhat of a relationship he

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actually came to the UFO Congress right

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ah because when Bob Lazar was there he

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actually of course is spoken with George

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Knapp on coast to coast and but we

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haven't spoken in a while and really

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haven't heard from him and I guess I've

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been working through a friend of a

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friend and so he is aware of you know

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what I'm writing and keeping up on and

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and this friend of a friend it says you

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know I'm doing well in and you know not

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stumbling like not making assumptions or

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not stepping out of line or connecting

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the dots in a silly way or anything so

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mmm but so far he he hasn't reached out

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or anything I'm not sure that he will

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yeah of course he's big time and he's

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working with these these big guys but it

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would be wonderful if he did because I

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really you know if you look at it people

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criticize Tom DeLonge and what he's

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doing but what would you do is a

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question if you had this if you had the

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ability to meet with these generals to

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discuss these topics mm-hmm

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you know you may be cognizant or wary

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that it's possible this information

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situation but I would still meet with

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them I would still talk with them and

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create these relationships so I don't

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yeah I think it's wise that he's doing

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that hopefully he's not being dishonest

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in any way like some people are implying

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but I don't think it would be any to his

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benefit at all to be dishonest yeah he

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doesn't need to they were saying maybe

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you don't know for marketing purposes

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you know trying to get people more

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excited about what he's doing but I I

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really again I think that it's great

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he's pursuing this and he's getting to

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places that other researchers have not

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been able to get right and for better or

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worse

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now due to mostly WikiLeaks you know

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we're getting some insight into the

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great progress he has made so yeah I

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don't really blame him for doing what

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he's doing I think it's really

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interesting and I would love to talk to

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him yeah I hope you get to well you know

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we're plumb out of time so if we have

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any other UFO news we're gonna just have

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to table and as we yeah okay all righty

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all right hey thanks man and we'll no

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problem we'll see you next week and have

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a great Thanksgiving tomorrow you too

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have a great turkey day I will all right

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all right hang in everyone we'll be

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right back after this quick music break

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with Chris O'Brien

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[Music]

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Wow that music I forget to mention this

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sometimes but Carrie Lloyd of Whitehouse

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from Ireland writes up music for movies

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and a lot of movies and some that are

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you know big movies not just

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independence anyway

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he supplies music for this show and that

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was written for the allagash incident

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and he has a bunch of different ones so

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of course we play these little parts of

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these clips almost every show and

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welcome to the show Chris they're happy

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day before turkey day that's right right

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you I think this your third visit on

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this show and you're always welcome

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always a lot of fun and so we have a lot

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of new listeners all the time just I

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know that you're part of the para para

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cast so you know what that's about

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so if you can go a little bit into your

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background but you know one thing I

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don't think I've ever asked you is what

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got you interested in the UFO topic and

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other topics that you're interested in

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the very beginning well that's you know

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that's I I guess a good question and for

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many years I would not really fess up to

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the real reason because you know

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starting out as a you know open-minded

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skeptic but but a healthily skeptical

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investigator field investigator

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I didn't publicly come out with this

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particular motivation for many years

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because I I didn't want it to color

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people's impression of my of me and and

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then consequently my work but I'm an

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experienced ER I had a very up close and

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personal encounter when I was seven

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years old in Bellevue Washington it's

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unlike it's similar in some ways to a

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lot of encounters that of course people

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have heard about since since the 70s

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basically late seventies early eighties

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around the whitley strieber time period

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weather scene seems to have been quite

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an upsurge in contactee reports and

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counter reports abductions that sort of

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thing but when i was seven years old

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i woke up one night in the spring of i'm

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not sure if i was seven or just about to

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turn seven but it was in the spring of

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1963 i'm 59 and i I had these non-human

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entities about the same height as me

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ringing around the foot of my bed and it

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was pitch black in my room my room was

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kind of half in the basement you know

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half on the ground in the basement if I

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stood on my bed as a little kid I could

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put my chin right at ground level and I

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had two windows that were at ground

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level you know about six feet off the

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ground the five feet off the ground and

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so my bedroom was was unusually dark

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because it was outside my window was a

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cantilever the house didn't go all the

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way down on the ground

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the upper floor above me stuck out into

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the yard about four or five feet so it

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was unusually dark in there at night and

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the only reason that I was able to

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detect that there was something there is

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because the three entities at the foot

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of the bed there seemed to be a fourth

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one in the back that was kind of hiding

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there was may have been a little bit

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taller but they were about same height

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as me about two three and a half four

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about four feet tall and they were

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holding these about two foot lit I

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called him I called him stick men with

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Spears was the only entry description

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that I could give my family but there

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were three beans impossibly skinny I

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mean with arms like maybe about as thick

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as my thumb

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you know I mean really super skinny

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that's why I called him stick men and

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they they had these kind of hands I

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couldn't really get much detail from the

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hands but they were holding these lip

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wands

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had this light that was kind of jumping

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up and down and sparkling and there was

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enough light so it illuminated them and

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not much but but enough so that I could

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see they were not your normal you know

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humanoid you know a person and of course

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the first thing I did was hide under the

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covers and hoping that I was dreaming

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and when I pulled the covers back down

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they were still there

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I was not paralyzed I had full mobility

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and of course the first thing I did was

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- out of the room I just ran to the left

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sideways out the door turn the corner

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went up ten stairs to the landing

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outside the you know right inside the

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front door and they were had either

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teleported to the top of the stairway

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that went up to my parents side of the

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house or there was another group there I

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don't know but when I turned the corner

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at the top of the staircase and the

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landing in inside the front door they

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were standing at the top of the next set

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of stairs sounds like a nightmare

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but to run through the kitchen and I was

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going to go through the kitchen door and

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run around the house through the

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backyard because my parents had their

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own outside entrance and I pulled the

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door open and I you know we wanted to

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run through the door and I forgot my dad

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had put the screen door on and I ran

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right into the screen door boom it

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literally knocked me down and I I turned

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and looked and they were standing at the

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other end of the kitchen looking at me

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and I got a little bit better look at

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him at that point and I'm not sure why

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but I ended up running down the driveway

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and then through the hedge to the

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neighbor's house because I thought if I

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could bang on their door they'd let me

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in and I could call my parents and say

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look something weird is going on here I

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banged on the the Richards door my

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neighbors and nobody answered and I

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looked back and the Richards had a three

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step terraced yard so there was like a

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platform and then some gardens

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and about four feet down another

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platform of grass and then and then went

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down to another area to some hedges and

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I could see the tops of their heads

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just barely and they weren't bobbing

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they were moving in a very smooth motion

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and and they kind of stopped together

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and moved together it was almost like

541
00:26:05,020 --> 00:26:01,670
they were one thing but they were you

542
00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:05,030
know definitely in separate so my only

543
00:26:09,340 --> 00:26:07,790
recourse because nobody answered the

544
00:26:11,260 --> 00:26:09,350
door was to run out in the middle of

545
00:26:12,850 --> 00:26:11,270
there keep going towards the next

546
00:26:16,380 --> 00:26:12,860
neighbor's house and they had a big lawn

547
00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:16,390
with like a streetlight that was right

548
00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:19,460
by their garage and the street light lit

549
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:21,860
their driveway outside of the garage and

550
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,809
I ran out in the middle of the lawn and

551
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:26,480
I stood there for a second because it

552
00:26:30,430 --> 00:26:28,010
was obvious they were following me so I

553
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:30,440
wanted to see though I had plenty of

554
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:32,450
room around me and I wanted to really

555
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:34,010
get a better look at them when they came

556
00:26:40,090 --> 00:26:37,490
through the light from from the you know

557
00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:40,100
the streetlight or farm light that the

558
00:26:47,530 --> 00:26:44,780
the Richards had and you know I told the

559
00:26:50,350 --> 00:26:47,540
story a number of times on the air over

560
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:50,360
the years now but the weirdest thing

561
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:52,370
about the whole incident if what I've

562
00:26:57,220 --> 00:26:54,170
described already isn't weird enough is

563
00:26:59,500 --> 00:26:57,230
they approached the light and then they

564
00:27:01,180 --> 00:26:59,510
turn the only way I can describe this as

565
00:27:05,260 --> 00:27:01,190
they turn sideways and it was like they

566
00:27:10,510 --> 00:27:05,270
were they had no depth they came through

567
00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:10,520
the light as thin lines it's like when

568
00:27:15,310 --> 00:27:12,260
you take a piece of paper and you turn

569
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:15,320
it sideways and that absolutely

570
00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:17,710
terrified me the next thing I remember

571
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:21,280
was pounding on the next neighbor's door

572
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:25,150
I don't recall seeing them following me

573
00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:29,480
but the last thing I remember is the

574
00:27:34,270 --> 00:27:32,030
porch light coming on the Barkers with

575
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:34,280
who the other neighbors their porch

576
00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:37,010
light came on and the next thing I know

577
00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:41,630
I'm three houses away across across the

578
00:27:47,410 --> 00:27:43,280
street I'm several hundred yards away

579
00:27:48,430 --> 00:27:47,420
I'm at the end of a porch I don't know

580
00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:48,440
how I got there

581
00:27:53,010 --> 00:27:52,190
my sister is coming on the porch you

582
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:53,020
know

583
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:55,510
her nightgown in her robe and she took

584
00:28:02,400 --> 00:27:59,679
me home and of course I refused to go

585
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,410
down in my bedroom and she you know she

586
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:05,200
my sister was 18 now why was she that

587
00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:06,670
why was she happened why was she there

588
00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:08,800
at that other house well it turns out

589
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:11,800
that the Barkers had called my house and

590
00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:13,690
she was the one that picked up the fuzzy

591
00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:14,200
uh-huh

592
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,230
and she said you little you you know you

593
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:18,640
look the cook

594
00:28:23,549 --> 00:28:20,410
Kimmy is that was called when I was a

595
00:28:25,410 --> 00:28:23,559
kid is is out you're hysterical we don't

596
00:28:27,870 --> 00:28:25,420
know what's going on and so she went

597
00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:27,880
over there I wasn't there and then she

598
00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:30,160
started looking for me and she said that

599
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:31,630
she looked for me for about 15 or 20

600
00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:35,650
minutes it may have been longer she

601
00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:37,420
wasn't quite sure but that was kind of

602
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,870
the you know but it wasn't actually a

603
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:43,600
quiz door on this in the late 90s about

604
00:28:47,730 --> 00:28:45,130
this and I said you remember that time

605
00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:47,740
uh-huh and he said yeah I do and so we

606
00:28:52,410 --> 00:28:49,540
kind of compared notes and she thought

607
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,420
it was very strange so she let me climb

608
00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:54,640
into bed with her and and because I was

609
00:28:59,970 --> 00:28:56,590
you know I was pretty terrified really

610
00:29:04,950 --> 00:28:59,980
and kind of just to give you a sense of

611
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:04,960
how deeply traumatized I was she said

612
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,450
that I tried to nurse her I she never

613
00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:09,760
told me this but until I brought this

614
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:13,300
back up and you know in the 90s she said

615
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:18,880
yeah you tried to nurse me and of course

616
00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:20,440
you know my parents said you you had a

617
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,940
dream you had a nightmare you were

618
00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:23,679
sleepwalking of course I've never slept

619
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:27,700
walk ever before since I've never had an

620
00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:30,670
extra full full-on experience like this

621
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:33,160
since are you having I was gonna ask

622
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:37,450
that no I did have another instance that

623
00:29:44,370 --> 00:29:41,770
happened but I think it was a group it's

624
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:44,380
in my first book on the mysterious

625
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:46,090
valley I had something come through the

626
00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:49,660
wall in my bedroom in Colorado and yeah

627
00:29:52,919 --> 00:29:51,309
I could it was almost like a rippling in

628
00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:52,929
the air I really couldn't see it was

629
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:55,420
almost like they were cloaked similar

630
00:29:58,890 --> 00:29:56,950
kind of situation that came through very

631
00:30:01,980 --> 00:29:58,900
close to me I'm a right-side through the

632
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:01,990
wall the headboard of the bed that my

633
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:03,940
girlfriend and I slept in was against

634
00:30:09,789 --> 00:30:06,559
the outside wall and they came in

635
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:09,799
I felt a a large presence there was a

636
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,110
number of them and they seemed to gather

637
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:14,240
around the the foot of the bed I woke

638
00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:17,690
her up in quietly and said look at the

639
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,120
foot of the bed do you see anything and

640
00:30:24,879 --> 00:30:22,159
she said no you know I always thought

641
00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:24,889
that that was you know I wanted

642
00:30:30,850 --> 00:30:27,980
validation you know and she was very

643
00:30:34,299 --> 00:30:30,860
sensitive and come to find out two weeks

644
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:34,309
later I found out actually a number of

645
00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:36,769
days later that my neighbor who was

646
00:30:42,009 --> 00:30:40,190
about maybe 200 feet away the next house

647
00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:42,019
over and in the little town I lived in

648
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:45,080
that something had happened to her in

649
00:30:50,379 --> 00:30:48,440
her child but she didn't want to talk

650
00:30:52,299 --> 00:30:50,389
about it and so it took about two weeks

651
00:30:56,649 --> 00:30:52,309
for me to kind of soften her up and and

652
00:30:58,499 --> 00:30:56,659
and she went ahead and him agreed to

653
00:31:00,730 --> 00:30:58,509
talk to me

654
00:31:04,419 --> 00:31:00,740
of course I'd she didn't want me to use

655
00:31:08,109 --> 00:31:04,429
her name but I can say that she was the

656
00:31:13,539 --> 00:31:08,119
widow of a very very famous psychologist

657
00:31:17,159 --> 00:31:13,549
from England who I've named elsewhere so

658
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:17,169
I might as well Artie Lange's Widow and

659
00:31:24,129 --> 00:31:21,110
she said that a group of humanoid gray

660
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,139
type aliens had come through the wall of

661
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:26,240
her son's bedroom she happened to be

662
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:28,730
sleeping on the loves loveseat that was

663
00:31:33,009 --> 00:31:30,169
in his bedroom because he was really

664
00:31:34,090 --> 00:31:33,019
upset that night and she saw them come

665
00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:34,100
through she said that they were like

666
00:31:37,739 --> 00:31:36,200
rippling water when they came through

667
00:31:40,869 --> 00:31:37,749
the wall and then they became fully

668
00:31:44,139 --> 00:31:40,879
present she could see them they were

669
00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:44,149
opaque and she knew me she said they

670
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:45,740
ignored her but they were concentrating

671
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,110
on her boy and she surrounded herself

672
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,720
and her son with light and closed her

673
00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:52,399
eyes and prayed and said if you're not

674
00:31:58,119 --> 00:31:56,299
you know of the light leave and they

675
00:32:01,570 --> 00:31:58,129
stuck around for a little bit but left

676
00:32:04,810 --> 00:32:01,580
and I was really intrigued by this and I

677
00:32:06,999 --> 00:32:04,820
said did you happen to to take note so

678
00:32:09,549 --> 00:32:07,009
when this happens she goes yeah I keep a

679
00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:09,559
journal it happened 20 minutes after I

680
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:13,750
had had my experience just two hundred

681
00:32:19,659 --> 00:32:17,090
three hundred feet away so it was the

682
00:32:19,869 --> 00:32:19,669
same night within less than a half an

683
00:32:21,819 --> 00:32:19,879
hour

684
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:21,829
time period so I'm pretty convinced and

685
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:23,929
I I picked up on something that night

686
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:26,329
and if people are interested in that

687
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:29,089
particular event I do go into it in

688
00:32:33,999 --> 00:32:31,129
detail in the mysterious valley and then

689
00:32:39,159 --> 00:32:34,009
my own personal experience as a child I

690
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:39,169
I mentioned in in my third book but for

691
00:32:45,969 --> 00:32:43,369
many years I refute you couldn't tell

692
00:32:49,239 --> 00:32:45,979
anybody about this exactly you know my

693
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:49,249
family my brother you know he was a year

694
00:32:54,609 --> 00:32:52,609
younger than me he believed me and we

695
00:32:56,619 --> 00:32:54,619
shared another experience later on there

696
00:33:00,639 --> 00:32:56,629
were no entities involved but we saw

697
00:33:04,419 --> 00:33:00,649
craft coming over Lake Washington late

698
00:33:07,299 --> 00:33:04,429
at night you know we had a couple of

699
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,309
interesting experiences I was woken up

700
00:33:12,069 --> 00:33:10,159
by my bedside table drawer moving in and

701
00:33:14,109 --> 00:33:12,079
out on its own and the rattling of the

702
00:33:16,589 --> 00:33:14,119
wooden drawers what woke me up there was

703
00:33:20,769 --> 00:33:16,599
a strange green glow went downstairs

704
00:33:22,569 --> 00:33:20,779
craft was out coming from west to east

705
00:33:25,419 --> 00:33:22,579
over Lake Washington we had a beautiful

706
00:33:28,779 --> 00:33:25,429
view of of Seattle from across the lake

707
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:28,789
in Bellevue and so an answer to a

708
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,049
question I know that's kind of a long

709
00:33:35,979 --> 00:33:33,039
answer but but that changed my life I

710
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,989
immediately I had not been exposed to

711
00:33:39,999 --> 00:33:37,519
science fiction I wasn't allowed to

712
00:33:42,459 --> 00:33:40,009
watch TV except the disney and lawrence

713
00:33:44,499 --> 00:33:42,469
welk and a few select programs that my

714
00:33:47,049 --> 00:33:44,509
parents would allow that my brother and

715
00:33:50,829 --> 00:33:47,059
I to watch I wasn't exposed to mass

716
00:33:55,449 --> 00:33:50,839
media there very down on they were very

717
00:33:57,249 --> 00:33:55,459
protective of us I had no concept of

718
00:33:59,739 --> 00:33:57,259
what aliens were maybe you know

719
00:34:01,809 --> 00:33:59,749
peripherally I kind of I kind of did but

720
00:34:05,229 --> 00:34:01,819
but no images or anything like that and

721
00:34:07,349 --> 00:34:05,239
if I did have images they were they they

722
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,359
weren't anything like what I experienced

723
00:34:12,279 --> 00:34:10,159
this was way outside of my realm of

724
00:34:15,759 --> 00:34:12,289
experience in comprehension as a

725
00:34:18,369 --> 00:34:15,769
seven-year-old and but I'll tell you you

726
00:34:20,829 --> 00:34:18,379
know I learned to read it for it was

727
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:20,839
very bright kid and I immediately just

728
00:34:25,659 --> 00:34:22,970
devoured every book I could find on the

729
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:25,669
subject how did you know what it was

730
00:34:30,819 --> 00:34:28,879
though I mean you know when you're when

731
00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:30,829
you're seven years old like you said it

732
00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:32,990
took a long did when did you start

733
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:33,800
reading books

734
00:34:40,690 --> 00:34:37,250
on on this I should ask as soon as I got

735
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:40,700
a library card but I mean how did you

736
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:44,210
know what it was you know I mean you're

737
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:45,770
a seven year old these things show up at

738
00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:49,280
your bed did you have any thoughts I

739
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:51,080
mean did you think they just have to be

740
00:34:57,340 --> 00:34:53,929
from another planet or something or what

741
00:35:02,580 --> 00:34:57,350
no I never thought that it was only

742
00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:02,590
going through looking for information I

743
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:05,350
you know I thought maybe that they were

744
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:08,270
you know I was exposed then to elves and

745
00:35:16,090 --> 00:35:12,170
fairies and then you know the whole idea

746
00:35:18,010 --> 00:35:16,100
of UFOs and aliens were kind of cemented

747
00:35:20,830 --> 00:35:18,020
into my head because of the experience

748
00:35:23,470 --> 00:35:20,840
of seeing the glowing kind of green oval

749
00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:23,480
coming across the lake and I'm not even

750
00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:27,070
sure this was about six months later I

751
00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:30,830
wasn't even sure I didn't know if the

752
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:33,950
two events were related I remember

753
00:35:37,330 --> 00:35:35,540
yelling at them what do you want why are

754
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,340
you following me talk you know you know

755
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:38,960
say something you know and they never

756
00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:40,670
they were completely neutral they were

757
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:45,470
they seemed almost like they were in a

758
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:48,530
trance I don't I've blocked out what

759
00:35:52,090 --> 00:35:50,990
their eyes look like I don't recall I

760
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:52,100
don't remember

761
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:54,110
big Wallman shaped eyes I do remember

762
00:36:02,890 --> 00:35:58,720
they had a pasty whitish kind of matte

763
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:02,900
you know non reflective skin tone they

764
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:04,850
had spindle II like I said impossibly

765
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:08,270
skinny spindly limbs the one in the back

766
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,610
seemed to have possibly clothes or a

767
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,320
cloak or something on I couldn't really

768
00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:15,760
tell there were no clothing no

769
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:17,960
identifying genitalia

770
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:21,650
I don't remember ears or even mouths I

771
00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:23,210
can't really even recall if they had

772
00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:27,350
mouths and they seemed to they move like

773
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:29,750
cattails in the wind they move perfectly

774
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:33,680
in sync together which really was quite

775
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:37,370
quite startling so you know I started

776
00:36:41,830 --> 00:36:39,050
devouring every book that I could read

777
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:41,840
and started accumulating books some of

778
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:43,970
which I still have some of the original

779
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:46,880
Adamski books in a Donald Menzel book

780
00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:47,330
who was

781
00:36:53,890 --> 00:36:51,620
an early debunker you know as a kid I

782
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:53,900
really wanted to try to explain away

783
00:37:01,620 --> 00:36:57,110
this whole experience somehow come up

784
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:01,630
with some sort of information that would

785
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:04,610
you know kind of put my my mind at ease

786
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:07,910
and it wasn't until the early 90s I was

787
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:09,380
reading a John keel book I think

788
00:37:16,570 --> 00:37:12,890
operation Trojan horse he mentions three

789
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:16,580
cases of children having experiences in

790
00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:19,010
Redmond I think in in Issaquah witcher 2

791
00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:21,860
towns ones on one on the west side of

792
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:23,480
bellevue and the others on the east side

793
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,030
of bellevue and i was during that same

794
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:28,160
spring of 63 that there were two other

795
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:31,460
cases i think two or three and one of

796
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:35,690
the kids said stickmen used the same

797
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:39,200
exact term that i did i'm not i'm not

798
00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:40,910
sure which key book it is I'm pretty

799
00:37:44,830 --> 00:37:43,070
sure it's a keel book and that was that

800
00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:44,840
was kind of some major validation for me

801
00:37:52,090 --> 00:37:48,140
many years later obviously thirty years

802
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:52,100
later but I mean something like that

803
00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:54,680
happening to you that changes you know

804
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:00,140
you absolutely have a completely 180

805
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:03,110
degree view about reality I knew that

806
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,330
these things were extremely strange I

807
00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:09,920
couldn't find very it took me a long

808
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:13,220
time to really find any information I

809
00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:15,650
you know devoured every UFO book I could

810
00:38:19,870 --> 00:38:16,190
find

811
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:19,880
I remember reading incident at Exeter

812
00:38:25,810 --> 00:38:22,850
when it came out interrupted journey

813
00:38:29,110 --> 00:38:25,820
when it came out and I kept I kept this

814
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:29,120
this whole thing secret I I didn't know

815
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:32,720
I didn't profess any sort of interest in

816
00:38:38,590 --> 00:38:35,210
the subject for for years and years and

817
00:38:42,970 --> 00:38:38,600
years until I was in high school I

818
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,980
started to you know let my my interest

819
00:38:50,350 --> 00:38:44,960
in my curiosity be known to friends and

820
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,360
stuff of course I I did dabble in quite

821
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:52,640
a number of psychedelics when I was in

822
00:38:58,270 --> 00:38:56,000
high school in college so that that

823
00:39:01,650 --> 00:38:58,280
allowed me I think the freedom

824
00:39:03,970 --> 00:39:01,660
to talk to close friends about it and

825
00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:03,980
you know I lived in New York City for

826
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:05,750
many years and you just don't talk about

827
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:08,600
aliens and UFOs when you live in

828
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:11,510
Manhattan it's social suicide and you

829
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:13,130
know yeah I knew better and it wasn't

830
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:16,870
until I moved out to Colorado in 1989

831
00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:19,850
that stuff

832
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:21,830
why did have a sighting experience in 79

833
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:23,930
up and up in New Paltz with a number of

834
00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:27,110
friends half of which we're tripping and

835
00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:30,140
the other half weren't by the way we

836
00:39:35,590 --> 00:39:32,950
went to a gentle giant concert and I

837
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,600
happened to spot some stars it seemed to

838
00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:38,000
be moving and I told brought everybody's

839
00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:39,620
attention to it we lay on the football

840
00:39:44,830 --> 00:39:41,900
field and sure enough they were milling

841
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,840
around and and those of us that you know

842
00:39:49,090 --> 00:39:46,160
under the influence

843
00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:49,100
we're the one I saw them first and the

844
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,900
other people it took them a little while

845
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:52,400
to see them but then it was obvious

846
00:39:59,890 --> 00:39:53,810
because they started zipping around

847
00:40:02,410 --> 00:39:59,900
fairly obviously and and we got bored

848
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:02,420
and went to a party after they settled

849
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:06,410
down strange but it wasn't until I got

850
00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:09,530
out to Colorado and had you know events

851
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:12,200
happening literally overhead of the town

852
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:14,090
and and starting to investigate them I

853
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:16,010
wrote an article for the local paper

854
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:18,890
which got picked up by the news services

855
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:21,020
services and went all over the world and

856
00:40:27,820 --> 00:40:23,330
I got inundated with with people

857
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:27,830
interested in in the article and and and

858
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:30,020
got two or three months later I mean

859
00:40:33,820 --> 00:40:31,730
unsolved mysteries showed up in

860
00:40:36,250 --> 00:40:33,830
sightings and all these TV shows and

861
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:36,260
stuff because of the kinds of activity

862
00:40:41,350 --> 00:40:37,730
that we're going on in Colorado at the

863
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:41,360
time and I do document all this in in my

864
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:44,210
books about the San Luis Valley where I

865
00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:46,610
lived in Colorado probably some of your

866
00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:48,680
listeners are aware of my work there but

867
00:40:55,930 --> 00:40:52,670
I did meticulously put together a

868
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:55,940
database of my investigations which I'm

869
00:41:00,820 --> 00:40:58,970
going to be publishing I had so many

870
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,830
people asking me for information about

871
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:02,720
the sighting events that I was

872
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:05,210
investigating investigators from all

873
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:06,890
over the world that I I started

874
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:09,230
publishing a monthly report to send out

875
00:41:14,130 --> 00:41:11,170
free I didn't charge for it

876
00:41:15,569 --> 00:41:14,140
to send out to other investigators to

877
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,579
keep them up to speed and what was going

878
00:41:20,099 --> 00:41:18,160
on and I think I did six years of these

879
00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:20,109
things you know when the activity would

880
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:23,140
would die out for months at a time

881
00:41:27,089 --> 00:41:25,569
there would be two three four months I

882
00:41:29,010 --> 00:41:27,099
wouldn't put out one but then BOOM as

883
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:29,020
soon as I had enough stuff to to put

884
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:31,030
together and my mysterious Valley report

885
00:41:36,809 --> 00:41:33,460
as I called it I'd sent it out it's it's

886
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:36,819
a stack I don't know if I'm gonna be

887
00:41:43,620 --> 00:41:38,230
able to fit them all in a single book

888
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:43,630
but there's you know I had 10 10 data

889
00:41:51,859 --> 00:41:47,920
points it for my database and I had

890
00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:51,869
around a thousand separate events that I

891
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:55,720
investigated or was made aware of in

892
00:42:02,250 --> 00:41:58,390
made phone calls and and did my best to

893
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:02,260
cover 10,000 square miles the San Luis

894
00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:03,849
Valley is the world's largest Alpine

895
00:42:08,789 --> 00:42:06,670
Valley and I put up 300,000 miles on my

896
00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:08,799
truck in six years running around

897
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:11,140
investigating cattle mutilation cases

898
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:14,650
and in UFO reports and crypto Bigfoot

899
00:42:22,049 --> 00:42:18,030
other other types of things occult crime

900
00:42:27,299 --> 00:42:22,059
kind of strange sort of Brujo Native

901
00:42:29,789 --> 00:42:27,309
American weirdness a whole kind of

902
00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:29,799
potpourri of things that came my way

903
00:42:35,609 --> 00:42:32,980
through the local law enforcement the

904
00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:35,619
local university I was working with the

905
00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:38,440
head of the Department of Sociology and

906
00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:41,260
a couple of astronomy students there and

907
00:42:46,859 --> 00:42:43,720
I was the unofficial deputy of weirdness

908
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:46,869
for like four or five counties in

909
00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:49,210
Colorado they had my number there by the

910
00:42:52,289 --> 00:42:50,740
dispatcher and if somebody would call up

911
00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:52,299
with a with a report they tell them to

912
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:54,670
get in touch with me and because I was

913
00:42:58,890 --> 00:42:56,890
local and I honored people's request for

914
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:58,900
anonymity and I didn't embellish things

915
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:01,140
and I didn't sensationalize things

916
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:05,470
people trusted me and I I was able to

917
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:09,010
make quite a bit of headway and in pull

918
00:43:14,099 --> 00:43:11,890
cases out you know neighbors would call

919
00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:14,109
and say you got to talk to so-and-so you

920
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,180
know something landed in their field or

921
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:18,880
a family member would call and say these

922
00:43:23,110 --> 00:43:20,230
people don't want to talk about it you

923
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:23,120
know my uncle or whomever

924
00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:25,910
and you know I'd work on them slowly and

925
00:43:29,710 --> 00:43:27,830
get them to open up so that I could get

926
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,720
the data but I'm really proud of my

927
00:43:33,790 --> 00:43:31,280
database it's probably the largest

928
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:33,800
database from a single geographic region

929
00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:38,200
maybe and ruffles is bigger from the LA

930
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:42,140
basin area because she had an extra 25

931
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:44,450
30 year head start on me but man I'll

932
00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:46,430
tell you there's hundreds and hundreds

933
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:47,990
and hundreds of reports in there and

934
00:43:52,750 --> 00:43:50,300
those are the only only the reports that

935
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:52,760
had ten ten data points if I didn't have

936
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:54,980
a date a time a duration I couldn't use

937
00:44:00,430 --> 00:43:57,290
it in my database so I literally had

938
00:44:02,170 --> 00:44:00,440
thousands of stories reports that sort

939
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:02,180
of thing but the ones that made the

940
00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:05,170
database had to have the ten data points

941
00:44:13,570 --> 00:44:09,140
Wow um we have we have a number of

942
00:44:15,550 --> 00:44:13,580
questions on the on the forum and by the

943
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:15,560
way anyone can join the forum it's a

944
00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:18,470
real easy sign in I just have to approve

945
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:21,160
you because of the spammers but anyway

946
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:24,530
before that though it's I just wanted to

947
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:25,990
ask you when you're telling your story

948
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,910
had seven years old a few people in the

949
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:30,560
chat room said wow that's almost like

950
00:44:35,350 --> 00:44:32,570
way too detailed for a seven-year-old I

951
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:35,360
just wanted you to address that but also

952
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:38,960
yeah absolutely do you feel how does it

953
00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:40,610
make you feel to tell that story I mean

954
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:43,160
does it get you um you know now it's it

955
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:46,130
I'm okay with it because I have I have

956
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:47,690
gone public with it

957
00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:50,720
in in terms of detail you know I have a

958
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:54,230
semi photographic memory I was extremely

959
00:45:02,590 --> 00:44:58,160
extremely bright as a child gifted

960
00:45:06,610 --> 00:45:02,600
gifted child and gifted programs I have

961
00:45:08,770 --> 00:45:06,620
a very good recall especially the

962
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:08,780
younger I was the better my recall was

963
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:13,030
and this kind of experience was

964
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:16,930
emblazoned into my mind I remember

965
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:22,880
details that from my this is the most

966
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:24,970
vivid memory I have from my childhood

967
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:27,770
besides getting my front two teeth

968
00:45:33,060 --> 00:45:31,040
knocked out by a by a line drive playing

969
00:45:35,580 --> 00:45:33,070
baseball that's that was

970
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:35,590
kind of a hard one to forget a couple of

971
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:39,760
bad falls on my bike I remember in in

972
00:45:45,780 --> 00:45:43,960
great detail human memory is is

973
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:45,790
interesting in that and that is a good

974
00:45:49,620 --> 00:45:46,690
point

975
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:49,630
you know normally people don't have a

976
00:45:54,570 --> 00:45:52,720
real good recall when it comes to you

977
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:54,580
know most mundane things that happen in

978
00:46:01,200 --> 00:45:57,610
our lives and in 99.999% of our lives or

979
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,210
mundane but I recall dreams from my

980
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:03,780
childhood very vivid dreams some

981
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:05,950
reoccurring that have nothing to do with

982
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,160
with UFOs particularly but but you know

983
00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:15,040
that being a little kid and sneak ins

984
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:17,470
you know sneaking under the table during

985
00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:19,770
the Christmas party this would have been

986
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:24,940
when I was eight or nine and sneaked in

987
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:29,020
half half filled glasses of wine and in

988
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:30,850
trying them under the table with my

989
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:33,480
brother you know going to Disneyland

990
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:35,710
remember that really well I remember

991
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:37,450
where I was when Kennedy was

992
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:40,810
assassinated I remember it was in great

993
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:43,090
detail I happen to be in LA with my mom

994
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:45,730
and my little brother and and I remember

995
00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:47,830
the cops pulling a dead body out of the

996
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:49,900
trunk of a car as we came out into the

997
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:52,980
parking lot so you know vivid

998
00:47:00,270 --> 00:46:56,260
experiences tend to become emblazoned in

999
00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:00,280
your in your yeah in your mind and in

1000
00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:03,100
your memory banks and and they do they

1001
00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:07,000
do have staying power yeah okay another

1002
00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:09,640
another person asked have you ever

1003
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:12,120
considered or have you ever had

1004
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:17,230
regressions there you know hypnotherapy

1005
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:20,740
I I did one time when I was 13 my mom

1006
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:25,960
took me because I I got so bored in

1007
00:47:31,050 --> 00:47:27,730
school I already knew all the answers

1008
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:31,060
and you know all the kids I just was way

1009
00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:34,990
ahead of everybody and I started acting

1010
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:37,720
up in school and so my mom took me to

1011
00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:41,380
the first certified hypnotherapist in

1012
00:47:46,350 --> 00:47:43,480
the United States dr. ivor berkland look

1013
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:46,360
him up and his son was buzzy berkland

1014
00:47:49,610 --> 00:47:46,680
who was

1015
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:49,620
the chief orthopedic doctor for the US

1016
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:52,650
Ski Team and I've our Brooklands

1017
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:54,660
grandson Bob Brooklyn was on my soccer

1018
00:48:01,310 --> 00:47:58,610
team the three-point Hornets we were

1019
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:01,320
Washington state champions in youth

1020
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:03,480
soccer I was in the first youth soccer

1021
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:08,250
league in the United States buzzy his

1022
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:11,700
dad was a psychologist and was the first

1023
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:15,090
licensed hypnotherapist and my mom took

1024
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:17,220
me for some motivational hypnotherapy

1025
00:48:21,590 --> 00:48:19,890
and I think I may have been regressed

1026
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:21,600
because she never let me go back and she

1027
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:24,690
was freaked out when she talked to to

1028
00:48:28,490 --> 00:48:27,480
berkland about my session and she

1029
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:28,500
wouldn't let me hear what they were

1030
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:32,000
talking about and and I was not I never

1031
00:48:39,020 --> 00:48:36,930
went back and I do remember him asking

1032
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:39,030
me some things about my child you know

1033
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:41,310
my earlier childhood because I was

1034
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:42,810
adopted my brother and I were both

1035
00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:46,050
adopted by the O'Briens and for some

1036
00:48:51,590 --> 00:48:50,190
reason he was I because I was in a hypno

1037
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:51,600
state I don't remember the exact

1038
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:53,970
questions but I do have a sensitive was

1039
00:48:59,840 --> 00:48:57,090
asking me about earlier times and you

1040
00:49:03,740 --> 00:48:59,850
know I was about 13 at that point and

1041
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:03,750
she my mom uncharacteristically she

1042
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:05,430
wouldn't talk about it and I asked her

1043
00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:06,780
ambassador and she wouldn't talk about

1044
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:07,230
it

1045
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:11,220
I remember when I was 10 going to

1046
00:49:16,610 --> 00:49:13,290
Safeway shopping on a Saturday with my

1047
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,620
mom and seeing a National Enquirer or

1048
00:49:21,350 --> 00:49:18,240
the world news or one of those you know

1049
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:21,360
supermarket rags with the headline

1050
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:24,420
flying saucers killed my horse and that

1051
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:26,670
was the the snippy the horse case I

1052
00:49:32,540 --> 00:49:28,950
remember that is a kid bugging my mom do

1053
00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:32,550
you know to give me a 25 cents or

1054
00:49:36,260 --> 00:49:34,590
whatever was to buy it and of course I

1055
00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:36,270
devoured the article before I even got

1056
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:38,100
home and and it's interesting that I

1057
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,780
should end up in Colorado in the San

1058
00:49:44,570 --> 00:49:41,520
Luis Valley about 40 miles from where

1059
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:44,580
that case took place and I got to know

1060
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,260
the owner of the horse and I have the

1061
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:48,960
only full-length video interview with

1062
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:51,570
him and and I'm probably one of the you

1063
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:53,910
know the most knowledgeable people about

1064
00:49:58,349 --> 00:49:55,770
that case now because of the amount of

1065
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:58,359
work that I put in on it's a whole job

1066
00:50:05,579 --> 00:50:01,599
in my books talking to herd which we

1067
00:50:06,929 --> 00:50:05,589
talked about last time I was here so you

1068
00:50:09,029 --> 00:50:06,939
know what can I say

1069
00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:09,039
you know that's my story and I'm

1070
00:50:15,299 --> 00:50:13,150
sticking to it okay good we have a we

1071
00:50:16,650 --> 00:50:15,309
have so is the guy that this is Linda

1072
00:50:18,059 --> 00:50:16,660
Moulton Howe I recall his past

1073
00:50:21,179 --> 00:50:18,069
appearance on your show

1074
00:50:23,699 --> 00:50:21,189
he knows everything just ask him well oh

1075
00:50:26,339 --> 00:50:23,709
I see her in the chat room yeah I don't

1076
00:50:28,789 --> 00:50:26,349
diss Linda Moulton Howe I just don't

1077
00:50:31,499 --> 00:50:28,799
agree with her conclusions I'm very

1078
00:50:34,019 --> 00:50:31,509
grateful to Linda she trained me how to

1079
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:34,029
interview people out in the field she is

1080
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:36,130
a tremendously courageous invested

1081
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:38,650
investigator I think she's kind of gone

1082
00:50:44,099 --> 00:50:41,890
off the rails a bit and in her work

1083
00:50:46,289 --> 00:50:44,109
she's she's got blinders on she's

1084
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:46,299
figured it all out and she only looks at

1085
00:50:50,999 --> 00:50:48,249
the data that supports her her

1086
00:50:53,370 --> 00:50:51,009
conclusions but I I don't I don't diss

1087
00:50:56,279 --> 00:50:53,380
her I just don't agree with her yeah

1088
00:50:58,439 --> 00:50:56,289
well I think yes I did spend time guest

1089
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:58,449
625 yes I did

1090
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:02,559
spend time talking UFOs and crop circles

1091
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,569
in the paranormal and politics with

1092
00:51:06,959 --> 00:51:06,400
Laurance Rockefeller he funded me for

1093
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:06,969
two years

1094
00:51:11,669 --> 00:51:10,089
really oh yeah didn't even okay so

1095
00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:11,679
you're reading off the chatroom I was

1096
00:51:18,749 --> 00:51:15,400
gonna read you some I was gonna read you

1097
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:18,759
some questions on the forum that I think

1098
00:51:24,809 --> 00:51:21,849
these were sayin where's the form of the

1099
00:51:27,150 --> 00:51:24,819
forum out it's actually it's a drop-down

1100
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:27,160
on the website as well but but I'll read

1101
00:51:34,019 --> 00:51:32,400
I'll read you this question here do you

1102
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:34,029
think cattle mutilations are caused by

1103
00:51:39,959 --> 00:51:38,079
humans are there any cases of you are

1104
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:39,969
familiar with to appear to involve a

1105
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:42,249
level of surgical technique or surgical

1106
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:44,559
technology that would suggest something

1107
00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:49,359
more advanced than a human source yes

1108
00:51:54,779 --> 00:51:51,400
there are there are cases that I believe

1109
00:51:58,679 --> 00:51:54,789
are high strange they they even

1110
00:52:02,400 --> 00:51:58,689
paranormal a great example of that would

1111
00:52:04,499 --> 00:52:02,410
be a case in Iowa in 1980 the head of

1112
00:52:05,819 --> 00:52:04,509
the Iowa of Veterinary College or Iowa

1113
00:52:08,279 --> 00:52:05,829
State Veterinary College I think his

1114
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:08,289
name was John Andrews attempted to

1115
00:52:14,910 --> 00:52:12,130
duplicate the a fresh calf mutilation he

1116
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:14,920
he and his veterinary pathologist

1117
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:18,310
buddies attempted to duplicate a case

1118
00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:21,520
side-by-side in the pathology lab and

1119
00:52:28,530 --> 00:52:24,550
they with great difficulty were able to

1120
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:28,540
duplicate all the surgeries but he his

1121
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:30,490
comment was and is in the pathology

1122
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:34,210
report whoever did this had to have been

1123
00:52:40,830 --> 00:52:37,330
a world-class veterinary pathologist or

1124
00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:40,840
surgeon because they had the-they they

1125
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:42,820
almost were not able to pull the tongue

1126
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,650
to cut the tongue out deep in the

1127
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:46,480
esophagus the way it was done on the on

1128
00:52:53,490 --> 00:52:49,810
the case they attempted to duplicated on

1129
00:52:55,530 --> 00:52:53,500
a on a calf and with great difficulty

1130
00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:55,540
they were able to do it but you know

1131
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:56,680
there were only a handful of people

1132
00:53:01,770 --> 00:52:58,810
really that are capable have that kind

1133
00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:01,780
of skill set so in there are other cases

1134
00:53:09,090 --> 00:53:06,760
we had a case you know this calf was

1135
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:09,100
missing its brain no break into the

1136
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:11,770
skull the the brain case was completely

1137
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:14,650
dry the animal was found was found in

1138
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,370
five inches of snow the upper arrest the

1139
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:20,800
respiratory organs you know the lungs

1140
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:23,170
were gone the spine was gone from the

1141
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:25,150
break from the back of the skull to the

1142
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:28,510
to where the spine joins to hips the

1143
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:31,450
right front leg was was was gone the

1144
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:33,910
liver and heart were surgically

1145
00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:36,910
perfectly excised and left in the bottom

1146
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:38,500
at the body cavity those are the two

1147
00:53:44,370 --> 00:53:40,810
organs that animals go after first by

1148
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:44,380
the way scavengers and it was found in a

1149
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,900
pristine 5 inches of fresh snow and

1150
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:48,400
there wasn't there was one drop of blood

1151
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:50,290
that we found and was on the back left

1152
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:54,490
hoof of the animal that in my estimation

1153
00:53:58,890 --> 00:53:57,760
and the veterinarian that looked at the

1154
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,900
case and the sheriff and the

1155
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:00,880
investigators was physically impossible

1156
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:03,250
for someone to pull that off so I mean I

1157
00:54:07,170 --> 00:54:05,110
could give you example after example but

1158
00:54:10,110 --> 00:54:07,180
these are the exception the vast

1159
00:54:12,570 --> 00:54:10,120
majority of cases could be done by

1160
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:12,580
someone proficient who knew what they

1161
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,710
were doing and was trained the vast

1162
00:54:20,370 --> 00:54:16,720
majority of cases are done it appears

1163
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:20,380
with a sharp implement like a scalpel I

1164
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:23,170
did turn in a number of cases to a

1165
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:25,930
hematologist who worked with Linda

1166
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,410
in Denver dr. John Altschuler and in two

1167
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:32,640
of those cases if I remember correctly

1168
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:35,680
there was evidence of high heat so some

1169
00:54:41,550 --> 00:54:38,290
sort of heat implement was used whether

1170
00:54:43,950 --> 00:54:41,560
it was a hot knife or possibly some sort

1171
00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:43,960
of lazy an instrument I don't know but

1172
00:54:49,530 --> 00:54:46,870
the the wound seemed to be sealed like

1173
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:49,540
cotton cauterized

1174
00:54:56,310 --> 00:54:51,850
yeah there was cooked hemoglobin along

1175
00:54:58,940 --> 00:54:56,320
the incision ledge but that's the way

1176
00:55:01,530 --> 00:54:58,950
the exception those cases are you know

1177
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:01,540
way the exception the vast majority of

1178
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,490
cases I saw were either people

1179
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:05,440
misidentifying scavenger action of the

1180
00:55:10,020 --> 00:55:06,610
cases that appeared to have been

1181
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:10,030
perpetrated by someone was skill the

1182
00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:12,370
vast majority of them were with a sharp

1183
00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:15,070
cutting implement and someone with the

1184
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:17,320
skill could have done those things yeah

1185
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:20,110
I I remember some of the things you said

1186
00:55:24,090 --> 00:55:21,910
in the last show that I thought was

1187
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:24,100
really fascinating but um someone in the

1188
00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:27,010
chatroom wanted to know if what the

1189
00:55:32,370 --> 00:55:30,190
frequency was of these happening of

1190
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:32,380
these mutilations happening a downed win

1191
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:34,810
or downstream of new plants or test

1192
00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:40,480
zones yeah that was a theory that was

1193
00:55:46,020 --> 00:55:43,150
arrived at by my mentor David Perkins

1194
00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:46,030
who he and I are co-authoring me follow

1195
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:47,620
up thus talking to heard called mute

1196
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:51,250
speak David was the first one to notice

1197
00:55:58,050 --> 00:55:55,930
and realize that the areas of high

1198
00:56:01,800 --> 00:55:58,060
incidents or regions where these cases

1199
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:01,810
tended to cluster seem to be a all

1200
00:56:10,190 --> 00:56:04,090
downwind and downstream of where we

1201
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,200
utilize mine weaponize you know uranium

1202
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:12,640
downwind from power plants downstream

1203
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:14,920
from power plants downwind of the Nevada

1204
00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:17,850
Test Site if you look at a map of

1205
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:20,680
radiation you know above ground

1206
00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:23,250
radiation from a hundred you know

1207
00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:27,220
nuclear tests detonations the areas

1208
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:28,870
where most of that fallout occurred

1209
00:56:35,010 --> 00:56:32,650
tends to be where quite a number of the

1210
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,020
cases I'd almost say a majority of cases

1211
00:56:43,610 --> 00:56:37,680
are clustered in the Upper Midwest

1212
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:43,620
Colorado Wyoming Montana Kansas Nebraska

1213
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:47,440
these areas where were in the the way

1214
00:56:53,010 --> 00:56:51,250
the Gulf the jet stream works a lot of

1215
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,020
that radiation was deposited there and

1216
00:56:58,580 --> 00:56:54,880
then if you go downwind and downstream

1217
00:57:01,380 --> 00:56:58,590
from weapons labs missile silo fields

1218
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:01,390
places are uranium mines that sort of

1219
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:02,980
thing there are exceptions to that rule

1220
00:57:11,010 --> 00:57:06,850
of course this is mostly a west or east

1221
00:57:12,990 --> 00:57:11,020
of the Rockies scenario as you go west

1222
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:13,000
of the Rockies the mutilations

1223
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,970
dramatically fall-off in number the vast

1224
00:57:21,090 --> 00:57:17,680
majority of them are on the Front Range

1225
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:21,100
of the Rockies on the east side of the

1226
00:57:25,830 --> 00:57:23,050
Rockies and then out in the Midwest does

1227
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,840
that extend to I'm sorry does that have

1228
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:27,760
anything to do with the head count the

1229
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:31,140
herd I mean the the head of cattle

1230
00:57:38,970 --> 00:57:36,220
population well yeah your your I mean

1231
00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:38,980
you do have plenty of cattle and on the

1232
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:43,660
west coast Washington Oregon less or so

1233
00:57:49,290 --> 00:57:47,620
in Nevada less or so in Idaho but yeah

1234
00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:49,300
that's where your largest concentration

1235
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:52,420
of cattle is from from Texas north to

1236
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:57,760
you know the Dakotas Wow now another

1237
00:58:03,690 --> 00:58:00,400
question that came up in the forum is

1238
00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:03,700
what's your what is in your talked

1239
00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:05,590
earlier briefly about the San Luis

1240
00:58:09,810 --> 00:58:07,480
Valley there but what's your opinion on

1241
00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:09,820
why certain locations on our planet

1242
00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:11,710
seemed to be hotspots for UFO activity

1243
00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:14,740
and do you think the reason there is a

1244
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:16,360
reason for this

1245
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:21,660
that we have yet to consider well I'm

1246
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:25,330
dr. Lou Lewis turi came up with a

1247
00:58:34,770 --> 00:58:28,990
formula that I've kind of expanded upon

1248
00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:34,780
and we both noticed that if you have an

1249
00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:38,680
area where you have sacred sites for

1250
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:41,260
indigenous people Indian reservations

1251
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:43,090
and this is I'm talking about North

1252
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:48,400
America primarily here and that those

1253
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:51,670
locations have unusual geophysical

1254
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:54,180
whether it's the close proximity of

1255
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,890
maximum and minimum magnetic field

1256
00:59:02,430 --> 00:58:58,480
strength and close proximity to one

1257
00:59:09,329 --> 00:59:02,440
another Davidic lows for instance

1258
00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:09,339
aquifers and you'll often find that

1259
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:11,380
those areas have indigenous legends of

1260
00:59:18,839 --> 00:59:15,010
flying seed pods flying shields flying

1261
00:59:21,150 --> 00:59:18,849
canoes you have waves of activity and

1262
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:21,160
flaps of activity that tend to tend to

1263
00:59:26,849 --> 00:59:23,410
go on longer you know they tend to be

1264
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:26,859
centralized and invariably you have a US

1265
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:29,770
military presence and oftentimes they're

1266
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:31,690
trying to expand their presence and if

1267
00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:34,089
you have those five things in a

1268
00:59:38,579 --> 00:59:37,150
particular region chances are you're

1269
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:38,589
gonna have all kinds of weirdness

1270
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:40,750
whether it's cryptozoological sightings

1271
00:59:47,339 --> 00:59:45,160
of wild men Bigfoot Momo skunk apes or

1272
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:47,349
you know whatever you know name you want

1273
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:51,359
to use strange aberrant social behavior

1274
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:55,569
weird weather all these things tend to

1275
01:00:00,569 --> 00:59:57,490
cluster around areas that I would call

1276
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:00,579
window area a doorway area hot spot a

1277
01:00:07,410 --> 01:00:05,410
portal area so if you if you look at

1278
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:07,420
that those five elements and they're

1279
01:00:12,359 --> 01:00:10,329
present in a location all you have to do

1280
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:12,369
is start doing some research and doing

1281
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:15,250
some digging in newspaper archives and

1282
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,490
and you know look back into the into

1283
01:00:23,299 --> 01:00:20,319
your primary source material you'll

1284
01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:23,309
uncover an incredible potpourri of of

1285
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:26,230
weirdness trust me on that I've I've

1286
01:00:31,740 --> 01:00:29,530
I've done it now I know you look deeply

1287
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:31,750
into the San Luis Valley and you talked

1288
01:00:38,670 --> 01:00:35,130
earlier about your database and

1289
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:38,680
extensive work on that have you looked

1290
01:00:43,170 --> 01:00:41,260
into other hotspot areas as this like

1291
01:00:45,930 --> 01:00:43,180
intrigued you to look into other another

1292
01:00:49,620 --> 01:00:45,940
one yeah I have you know I live now in

1293
01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:49,630
Arizona and I've been slowly kind of

1294
01:00:54,329 --> 01:00:51,369
nosing around the Sedona area in fact

1295
01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:54,339
last week I had a sighting with four

1296
01:00:59,039 --> 01:00:57,369
ladies from Beijing actually they were

1297
01:01:00,329 --> 01:00:59,049
visiting the Sedona area with a group

1298
01:01:03,180 --> 01:01:00,339
for a conference

1299
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:03,190
they took I took them out on a UFO tour

1300
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:04,710
I'm a tour guide up

1301
01:01:10,839 --> 01:01:07,170
I do private tours to Grand Canyon we

1302
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:10,849
also operate you have donkeys in there

1303
01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:13,650
the donkeys know that their mule trips

1304
01:01:20,089 --> 01:01:17,220
no I Drive up in a you know in a Lincoln

1305
01:01:23,450 --> 01:01:20,099
Navigator and it's you know on the South

1306
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:23,460
Rim and you know lunch at El Tovar it's

1307
01:01:28,070 --> 01:01:26,400
it's kind of a top shelf deal you know

1308
01:01:31,450 --> 01:01:28,080
they walk along the rim a little bit but

1309
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:31,460
I've been up there over 400 times Wow

1310
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:33,810
yeah I had heard something about an

1311
01:01:38,810 --> 01:01:35,130
outer nose maybe someone was teasing

1312
01:01:40,550 --> 01:01:38,820
there cutting out the the mule trips are

1313
01:01:42,020 --> 01:01:40,560
they really Wow yeah they're only doing

1314
01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:42,030
a couple three a week now they used to

1315
01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:43,950
do that many a day it cost too much

1316
01:01:48,579 --> 01:01:45,720
money to keep the trail the Bright Angel

1317
01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:48,589
Trail and the K Bab trail maintained

1318
01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:50,700
because of the wear and tear from the

1319
01:01:53,540 --> 01:01:52,140
mule trips and they have to do the mule

1320
01:01:55,790 --> 01:01:53,550
trips down to the Phantom Ranch because

1321
01:01:57,290 --> 01:01:55,800
that's the only way they can get the

1322
01:01:59,720 --> 01:01:57,300
Phantom Ranch is right on the river and

1323
01:02:02,030 --> 01:01:59,730
they have to load in all the food and

1324
01:02:04,420 --> 01:02:02,040
take out all the garbage and stuff and

1325
01:02:07,099 --> 01:02:04,430
so they run the reprovision trips

1326
01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:07,109
frequently and the amount of money they

1327
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:09,030
charge the Cowboys for the concession

1328
01:02:14,060 --> 01:02:11,940
doesn't even put a lick the tip of the

1329
01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:14,070
iceberg for the amount of money it costs

1330
01:02:17,810 --> 01:02:15,660
to keep the trail up if you have so many

1331
01:02:19,339 --> 01:02:17,820
mule trips going down so they're phasing

1332
01:02:22,550 --> 01:02:19,349
them out going into the canyon they're

1333
01:02:27,470 --> 01:02:22,560
now urging people to take the rim trips

1334
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:27,480
along the rim yeah Wow so let's see

1335
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:30,770
there was a another question that

1336
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:33,089
someone wanted to know in the view of

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01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:35,220
the number of UFO sightings over bodies

1338
01:02:41,870 --> 01:02:38,970
of water what do you think there no do

1339
01:02:46,790 --> 01:02:41,880
you think there could be possibly under

1340
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:46,800
water or underground UFO bases yeah I

1341
01:02:51,140 --> 01:02:48,210
think everybody out there should read

1342
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:51,150
one of the best books UFO books ever

1343
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:52,980
written by Ivan T Sanderson called

1344
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:55,890
invisible residents and he makes the

1345
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:59,040
very actually surprising statement that

1346
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:02,640
50% of all UFO sightings are in

1347
01:03:09,950 --> 01:03:06,050
conjunction with bodies of water and I

1348
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:09,960
find that very interesting you know when

1349
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:12,210
you look at shag harbour

1350
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:14,609
there's quite a number of fairly well

1351
01:03:21,220 --> 01:03:18,720
documented sightings of of us owes or on

1352
01:03:24,049 --> 01:03:21,230
you know unidentified submerged objects

1353
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,059
there were objects my dad was in the

1354
01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:25,920
Coast Guard John O'Brien was in the

1355
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:28,020
Coast Guard during the mid to late 40s

1356
01:03:32,329 --> 01:03:30,569
in Puget Sound and he said that when

1357
01:03:35,539 --> 01:03:32,339
they gotten a new radar unit on their

1358
01:03:37,279 --> 01:03:35,549
Coast Guard Cutter that at at one point

1359
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:37,289
there were objects seen entering and

1360
01:03:45,260 --> 01:03:39,420
leaving the straits of Juan de Fuca at

1361
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:45,270
impossible speeds back in in the right

1362
01:03:51,859 --> 01:03:46,950
around the Kenneth Arnold time he was in

1363
01:03:55,339 --> 01:03:51,869
the Coast Guard I think 46 47 48 49 or

1364
01:03:57,500 --> 01:03:55,349
45 46 47 48 so it was sometime in that

1365
01:03:59,180 --> 01:03:57,510
time period of course he told us the

1366
01:04:01,099 --> 01:03:59,190
story a couple times when you know I was

1367
01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:01,109
growing up and then when I got into all

1368
01:04:06,769 --> 01:04:03,480
this stuff is you know pretty you know

1369
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:06,779
full-time back in the 90s he totally

1370
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:09,599
denied that he ever told us I wanted to

1371
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,089
get him on record and he's oh no no no

1372
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:14,160
you know you never heard that for me and

1373
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:15,180
of course you know the whole family

1374
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:18,119
heard the story a number of times so he

1375
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:21,180
just refused to fess up on it he would

1376
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:22,380
always change the subject

1377
01:04:30,410 --> 01:04:26,160
yeah yes I do I do have a sense that we

1378
01:04:32,450 --> 01:04:30,420
do have some sort of presence you know

1379
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,460
people often ask me do you think we're

1380
01:04:37,279 --> 01:04:34,079
being visited by aliens from another

1381
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:37,289
planet and my stock responses how do you

1382
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,910
know we're not the aliens and they're

1383
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:41,039
more terrestrial than we are we may be

1384
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:42,510
dealing with other tenants in the

1385
01:04:47,650 --> 01:04:45,210
building folks just because they they

1386
01:04:49,789 --> 01:04:47,660
want us to believe that they're

1387
01:04:53,180 --> 01:04:49,799
extraterrestrials and from outside of

1388
01:04:55,099 --> 01:04:53,190
our our you know our close system here

1389
01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:55,109
it doesn't necessarily mean they are

1390
01:05:00,769 --> 01:04:58,890
they could have a long time many

1391
01:05:03,319 --> 01:05:00,779
thousands of your presence here and they

1392
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,329
could have an underground or underwater

1393
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:06,240
facilities I've heard rumors over the

1394
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:08,640
years of our own military

1395
01:05:14,539 --> 01:05:12,720
having under underwater bases some that

1396
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:14,549
go inland for miles

1397
01:05:18,829 --> 01:05:17,130
there's allegedly you know submarine

1398
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:18,839
pens that come in all the way from the

1399
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:21,569
California coast all the way according

1400
01:05:25,370 --> 01:05:23,849
to some rumors all the way to Nevada I

1401
01:05:29,090 --> 01:05:25,380
have a hard time believing

1402
01:05:33,290 --> 01:05:29,100
that but you know you go off the what is

1403
01:05:36,590 --> 01:05:33,300
it the north the southeast corner or the

1404
01:05:40,460 --> 01:05:36,600
northeast corner of Puerto Rico just off

1405
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:40,470
the of the El Yunque mountain mountain

1406
01:05:46,670 --> 01:05:42,890
area and the UK National Reserve there

1407
01:05:48,140 --> 01:05:46,680
there been were many many reports of UFO

1408
01:05:50,180 --> 01:05:48,150
type craft entering and leaving the

1409
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:50,190
ocean there right off the continental

1410
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:51,810
shelf it would be a perfect place to

1411
01:05:57,980 --> 01:05:54,210
hide when you think about it and I saw

1412
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:57,990
some crazy post a number of weeks ago

1413
01:06:02,540 --> 01:06:00,960
and somebody might want to chime in if

1414
01:06:05,090 --> 01:06:02,550
you have some information about this but

1415
01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:05,100
according to this source and again we're

1416
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:07,500
dealing with the potential realm of fake

1417
01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:10,500
news here but someone claiming that ads

1418
01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:13,110
ads Edward Snowden said that the

1419
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:15,540
president gets a brief every day of

1420
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:19,920
monitoring deep ocean trench vents where

1421
01:06:25,970 --> 01:06:22,920
UFOs are said to come and go from the

1422
01:06:27,950 --> 01:06:25,980
interior of the earth now I don't you

1423
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:27,960
know I haven't heard anybody else

1424
01:06:35,570 --> 01:06:31,490
jump jump on board on that particular

1425
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:35,580
you know leaked email or whatever the

1426
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:38,610
source is from that from Snowden and of

1427
01:06:43,550 --> 01:06:40,290
course I always assume that it's it's

1428
01:06:45,530 --> 01:06:43,560
just somebody pulling our leg but it

1429
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:45,540
wouldn't surprise me let's put it that

1430
01:06:50,330 --> 01:06:48,480
way it would not surprise me in fact you

1431
01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:50,340
know people don't understand how

1432
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:53,190
sophisticated our technology is how many

1433
01:06:58,460 --> 01:06:55,650
out there know about dumpster which is a

1434
01:07:01,550 --> 01:06:58,470
a satellite system that I started

1435
01:07:04,340 --> 01:07:01,560
hearing about in the mid 90s that's able

1436
01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:04,350
to map according to this article on

1437
01:07:10,310 --> 01:07:06,630
milsat magazine which is a you know with

1438
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:10,320
it's the go-to website for new and

1439
01:07:16,580 --> 01:07:13,980
interesting I guess unclassified news

1440
01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:16,590
about spy satellites military weather

1441
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:18,660
GPS all that sort of thing there's an

1442
01:07:25,310 --> 01:07:20,970
article from 2008 that talks about

1443
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:25,320
dumpster which is a ten by ten or a

1444
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:28,170
hundred of satellites that are able to

1445
01:07:31,850 --> 01:07:30,030
look into the Earth's core and according

1446
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:31,860
to this article it says fifty thousand

1447
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,110
feet into the Earth's core now I heard

1448
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:36,480
the number five thousand feet but in

1449
01:07:39,330 --> 01:07:38,010
this article that says the dumpster

1450
01:07:42,510 --> 01:07:39,340
satellites will map

1451
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:42,520
to a depth of 50,000 feet and then it

1452
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:44,710
goes on to say it's quite an interesting

1453
01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:50,530
article it's dumpster D um STR now I

1454
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:53,700
heard in 1997-98 that this was

1455
01:07:58,340 --> 01:07:56,290
operational and that the first place

1456
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,350
that they mapped was the Giza Plateau

1457
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:00,880
the second place they mapped was the

1458
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:03,130
Yucatan Peninsula and the third place

1459
01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:06,400
they mapped was the southern Rocky

1460
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:09,190
Mountains right where I lived looking

1461
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:11,440
for negative spaces underground or

1462
01:08:18,599 --> 01:08:15,280
caverns lava tubes an ancient

1463
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:18,609
underground tunnel system I interviewed

1464
01:08:23,999 --> 01:08:20,830
a miner who helped expand the National

1465
01:08:26,820 --> 01:08:24,009
Lab at Los Alamos underground back in

1466
01:08:29,249 --> 01:08:26,830
the late 50s early 60s his group

1467
01:08:31,309 --> 01:08:29,259
allegedly according to him broke into an

1468
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:31,319
ancient underground tunneling system

1469
01:08:35,820 --> 01:08:34,480
that by the appearance of the amount of

1470
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:35,830
mineralization and stuff in there they

1471
01:08:38,130 --> 01:08:37,480
estimated was thousands and thousands of

1472
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:38,140
years old

1473
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:40,930
ran it appeared to run for miles and

1474
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:44,170
miles they were sworn to secrecy if the

1475
01:08:47,820 --> 01:08:46,600
the team of this particular team of

1476
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:47,830
miners was broken up and they were all

1477
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:49,450
sent to different teams and told not to

1478
01:08:55,740 --> 01:08:52,810
talk about it and this comes from a very

1479
01:09:00,590 --> 01:08:55,750
very reputable source with a

1480
01:09:03,150 --> 01:09:00,600
three-generation presence at the lab so

1481
01:09:05,099 --> 01:09:03,160
it would not surprise me an answer to

1482
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,109
your listeners question no it would not

1483
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:07,600
surprise me at all in fact I I have a

1484
01:09:12,059 --> 01:09:09,970
feeling that you know just read Richard

1485
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:12,069
sadhas' a wonderful book underground

1486
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:15,250
bases and tunnel the underground bases

1487
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,480
and tunnels what is the government

1488
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:18,400
trying to hide by Richard solder is an

1489
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:21,130
exceptional book he spent years combing

1490
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:22,770
through all the appropriations bills

1491
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:25,210
sent out of Congress and could find not

1492
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,410
one bit of funding for 129 underground

1493
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:34,000
facilities that we know about that are

1494
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:36,730
publicly acknowledged he couldn't find

1495
01:09:42,900 --> 01:09:40,170
how they were actually funded and built

1496
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:42,910
now I think NORAD's Cheyenne Mountain

1497
01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:45,970
may be an exception I'm not sure if that

1498
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:49,180
was in his list of of apparently

1499
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:52,640
unfunded underground projects but

1500
01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:56,370
I'm very interesting you know the only

1501
01:10:00,920 --> 01:09:58,980
time I ran into any potential problems

1502
01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:00,930
with my investigative work was when I

1503
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,910
was looking into this particular subject

1504
01:10:07,190 --> 01:10:05,280
so I'm a little hesitant to talk about

1505
01:10:07,690 --> 01:10:07,200
specific locations and that sort of

1506
01:10:12,140 --> 01:10:07,700
thing

1507
01:10:15,140 --> 01:10:12,150
but let's say let's leave it at this

1508
01:10:18,940 --> 01:10:15,150
along the border of Colorado and New

1509
01:10:20,540 --> 01:10:18,950
Mexico there are a number of facilities

1510
01:10:22,580 --> 01:10:20,550
Wow

1511
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:22,590
you kind of answered a number of

1512
01:10:29,710 --> 01:10:24,840
questions that this person had put in

1513
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:29,720
the forum but let's see how deeply

1514
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:32,280
underground do you think military bases

1515
01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:34,860
can physically be constructed do you

1516
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:37,560
think that any have been constructed to

1517
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:39,450
take advantage of preexisting naturally

1518
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:42,540
occurring large underground caverns so

1519
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:44,730
as to reduce the amount of excavation

1520
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:46,800
required could satellite technology

1521
01:10:53,330 --> 01:10:48,690
you've already addressed all that but

1522
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:53,340
yeah well you know interesting I went to

1523
01:10:56,900 --> 01:10:54,810
high school in Kent Washington and

1524
01:10:59,720 --> 01:10:56,910
someone turned me on to a patent

1525
01:11:02,000 --> 01:10:59,730
application that was filed right when I

1526
01:11:04,940 --> 01:11:02,010
was in high school or just I think just

1527
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:04,950
after I graduated from high school for a

1528
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:07,770
nuclear-powered submarine which would be

1529
01:11:13,340 --> 01:11:10,320
a nuclear-powered tunneling device that

1530
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:13,350
would not leave behind any excavated

1531
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:16,380
material it would melt it and then layer

1532
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:19,770
it in a six inch glass sort of coating

1533
01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:23,070
along the interior of the tunnel so the

1534
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:25,320
the machine would not kick any dirt out

1535
01:11:30,110 --> 01:11:27,120
from behind it would melt the dirt and

1536
01:11:32,990 --> 01:11:30,120
actually use that as a reinforcement for

1537
01:11:35,660 --> 01:11:33,000
the six-inch reinforcement of molten

1538
01:11:37,940 --> 01:11:35,670
rock material that would line the inside

1539
01:11:40,610 --> 01:11:37,950
of the of the tunneling device and

1540
01:11:42,380 --> 01:11:40,620
according to the patent application if I

1541
01:11:47,290 --> 01:11:42,390
remember correctly it could go seven

1542
01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:47,300
miles through bedrock a day and I think

1543
01:11:54,380 --> 01:11:51,150
you know under sediment and looser

1544
01:11:57,980 --> 01:11:54,390
material it could go further now if

1545
01:12:00,490 --> 01:11:57,990
that's true I think how many miles and

1546
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:00,500
miles of tunnels we could have already

1547
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:03,679
you know excavated and

1548
01:12:10,060 --> 01:12:06,890
and created since the late seventies

1549
01:12:13,419 --> 01:12:10,070
well I can see how something like that

1550
01:12:15,689 --> 01:12:13,429
actually could work but the thing it

1551
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:15,699
wouldn't it leave behind a trace of

1552
01:12:22,300 --> 01:12:20,090
radiation as well most likely not

1553
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,310
necessarily I mean nuclear submarines

1554
01:12:26,169 --> 01:12:24,560
don't leave behind traces of radiation

1555
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:26,179
you know nuclear power plants if they're

1556
01:12:31,390 --> 01:12:28,550
operated properly don't leave and all

1557
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:31,400
it's doing is eating creating heat and

1558
01:12:36,610 --> 01:12:33,920
if it's controlled if it's controlled

1559
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:36,620
you know chain reaction that shielded

1560
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:39,710
you you know in theory you could be able

1561
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:46,610
to do that mmm okay all right and so as

1562
01:12:54,910 --> 01:12:52,239
far as the underground like tunnels go

1563
01:12:57,220 --> 01:12:54,920
this was very interesting which you

1564
01:13:01,689 --> 01:12:57,230
mentioned a few minutes ago about Los

1565
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:01,699
Alamos and so was that a constructed

1566
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:03,650
tunnel they actually thought it was a

1567
01:13:09,130 --> 01:13:05,449
constructive tunnel and not a natural

1568
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:09,140
like cavern or something well you have

1569
01:13:14,919 --> 01:13:11,570
to understand the lab sits right to the

1570
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:14,929
east of a huge supervolcano caldera and

1571
01:13:19,419 --> 01:13:17,449
there are labs that stretch out all

1572
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:19,429
through that particular area to him is

1573
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:21,230
mountains there and and I think

1574
01:13:27,580 --> 01:13:23,090
initially they used some of these

1575
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:27,590
natural spaces and naturally negative

1576
01:13:33,459 --> 01:13:30,110
spaces on the ground and then expanded

1577
01:13:37,330 --> 01:13:33,469
them you know a lot of our

1578
01:13:39,939 --> 01:13:37,340
infrastructure is underground in these

1579
01:13:43,209 --> 01:13:39,949
bases and and you know the skunk works

1580
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,219
in other other places aerospace R&D

1581
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:45,679
facilities and that sort of thing you

1582
01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:47,679
know there's probably a lot of industry

1583
01:13:52,030 --> 01:13:50,510
military hardware if you go to Kirtland

1584
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:52,040
Air Force Base you have the Manzano

1585
01:13:56,590 --> 01:13:54,800
mountains and Coyote Canyon we have an

1586
01:13:58,660 --> 01:13:56,600
underground facility that's the largest

1587
01:14:01,330 --> 01:13:58,670
repository I think of nuclear nuclear

1588
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:01,340
weapons at least it used to be the

1589
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:03,530
largest storehouse of nuclear weapons

1590
01:14:07,689 --> 01:14:05,449
all this stuff was manufactured all

1591
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:07,699
these facilities were created and of

1592
01:14:11,620 --> 01:14:09,590
course it would make sense to utilize

1593
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:11,630
lava tubes and naturally-occurring

1594
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:15,520
caverns and expand on those

1595
01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:18,880
that makes perfect sense to me again the

1596
01:14:22,620 --> 01:14:20,440
the the book to read is underground

1597
01:14:24,030 --> 01:14:22,630
bases and tunnels one of the what's the

1598
01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:24,040
government trying to hide it's the

1599
01:14:29,130 --> 01:14:26,260
seminal book on the subject and Richard

1600
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:29,140
Sadr spent years researching this and

1601
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:31,890
the guy's you know he's got a PhD so you

1602
01:14:36,690 --> 01:14:33,730
got to think that he knows how to

1603
01:14:38,610 --> 01:14:36,700
research and he's got you know all sorts

1604
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:38,620
of documentation in there that's pretty

1605
01:14:44,730 --> 01:14:41,770
mind-blowing right right you know I've

1606
01:14:47,970 --> 01:14:44,740
just he was actually on this show at

1607
01:14:49,230 --> 01:14:47,980
some point I think maybe I don't know a

1608
01:14:53,610 --> 01:14:49,240
year and a half ago or something like

1609
01:15:00,570 --> 01:14:53,620
that but let's see there was a question

1610
01:15:05,970 --> 01:15:00,580
up I guess it's gone but as far as as

1611
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:05,980
your own research goes you said that now

1612
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:09,040
you're basically doing some work in you

1613
01:15:14,610 --> 01:15:11,170
know the area you're in is it actually

1614
01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:14,620
the Sedona area that you're in I'm

1615
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,270
nearby I'm not in Sedona but I'm you

1616
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:21,040
know within a half-hour 40 minutes away

1617
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:22,840
because it seems to me that I've heard

1618
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:26,650
and I've heard that area is kind of a

1619
01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:30,880
hot spot as well it is it's not as as

1620
01:15:36,810 --> 01:15:32,830
much of a hot spot as the media has made

1621
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:36,820
it out to be back in the 80s and 90s a

1622
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:40,000
fellow researcher who has lived here

1623
01:15:46,020 --> 01:15:43,030
since the I think the early eighties Tom

1624
01:15:48,030 --> 01:15:46,030
dango he did a lot of work running

1625
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:48,040
around here I met him early on in the

1626
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:50,410
early 90s and we kept in touch and it

1627
01:15:54,570 --> 01:15:52,510
was very interesting we we had events

1628
01:15:56,010 --> 01:15:54,580
that occurred you know same exact

1629
01:15:59,280 --> 01:15:56,020
sighting events would occur almost

1630
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:59,290
almost simultaneously in Sedona and all

1631
01:16:05,130 --> 01:16:01,840
the way 450 miles away or so in the San

1632
01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:05,140
Luis Valley uncanny even one weekend

1633
01:16:12,930 --> 01:16:10,030
where both locations had a military jet

1634
01:16:15,870 --> 01:16:12,940
crash and start a forest fire weird

1635
01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:15,880
synchronicities and Tom spent a lot of

1636
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:18,100
time with Linda Bradshaw out on the

1637
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:20,890
Bradshaw ranch which is probably the

1638
01:16:27,210 --> 01:16:24,970
main Ground Zero UFO hot spot here in

1639
01:16:29,140 --> 01:16:27,220
the Sedona area and again it has all

1640
01:16:31,980 --> 01:16:29,150
those elements that we talked about

1641
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:31,990
for that formula that I mentioned and

1642
01:16:37,690 --> 01:16:35,330
the Linda in and her husband got behind

1643
01:16:40,090 --> 01:16:37,700
on their taxes and the government

1644
01:16:42,940 --> 01:16:40,100
swooped in and appropriated the ranch so

1645
01:16:45,310 --> 01:16:42,950
it's been placed off-limits even though

1646
01:16:49,150 --> 01:16:45,320
it's public land you're not allowed to

1647
01:16:51,010 --> 01:16:49,160
go on to the ranch of course don't tell

1648
01:16:55,330 --> 01:16:51,020
anybody but I've kind of snuck around

1649
01:16:57,610 --> 01:16:55,340
there a little bit and others do I've

1650
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:57,620
never actually had a the type of

1651
01:17:01,990 --> 01:16:59,360
sightings that they were experiencing in

1652
01:17:04,420 --> 01:17:02,000
the 80s and 90s there but that is my

1653
01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:04,430
favorite skywatching spot in the Sedona

1654
01:17:09,730 --> 01:17:07,190
area is on the you know the rise that's

1655
01:17:11,140 --> 01:17:09,740
just outside of the ranch above it that

1656
01:17:12,820 --> 01:17:11,150
overlooks the ranch area and that's

1657
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:12,830
where we had the the sighting event

1658
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,880
though last week hmm Wow now what what

1659
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:18,560
do you think about the Native American

1660
01:17:22,780 --> 01:17:20,930
connection and what they would call sky

1661
01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:22,790
people and things like that I mean you

1662
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,190
are you involved into looking in to any

1663
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:27,440
of that though absolutely at something

1664
01:17:33,190 --> 01:17:30,050
that's a major part of my work okay so

1665
01:17:35,770 --> 01:17:33,200
let's talk about that because you're

1666
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:35,780
right there's a lot of Native American

1667
01:17:41,860 --> 01:17:39,010
culture in that area is that right

1668
01:17:44,350 --> 01:17:41,870
yeah well of course the the primordial

1669
01:17:46,570 --> 01:17:44,360
indigenous people you know the

1670
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:46,580
Aborigines of North America the Hopi and

1671
01:17:50,380 --> 01:17:48,710
Zuni or right here in their Arizona I'm

1672
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:50,390
just over the border in New Mexico and

1673
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:53,450
I've uh one of my dearest closest

1674
01:18:01,150 --> 01:17:55,310
friends is a zuni elder clifford mahooty

1675
01:18:03,610 --> 01:18:01,160
who I think you've had on the show yes

1676
01:18:05,650 --> 01:18:03,620
he's an amazing guy he's uh he was in

1677
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:05,660
charge of environmental assessment and

1678
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:07,040
civil engineering projects for the

1679
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,170
Department of Interior he go around

1680
01:18:12,610 --> 01:18:11,120
around the country to Indian

1681
01:18:14,620 --> 01:18:12,620
reservations and do the environmental

1682
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:14,630
assessment for a large construction

1683
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:16,400
projects for the Bureau of Indian

1684
01:18:22,180 --> 01:18:20,090
Affairs and he you know I mean does

1685
01:18:24,190 --> 01:18:22,190
differential equations calculates loads

1686
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:24,200
can do advanced calculus you know I mean

1687
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:26,330
the guy is brilliant he's got a advanced

1688
01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:28,850
degree in civil engineering but he's

1689
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:32,390
also you know steeped in his cultural

1690
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:36,320
traditions and I've about well it's been

1691
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:38,930
geez about seven years now eight years

1692
01:18:42,970 --> 01:18:41,930
that I've known him I talked him into

1693
01:18:46,420 --> 01:18:42,980
going public

1694
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:46,430
with his you know the knowledge that

1695
01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:48,650
they they've held for thousands of years

1696
01:18:52,540 --> 01:18:51,110
about the star people many of your

1697
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:52,550
listeners have heard heard of the the

1698
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:54,890
word Kachina and we know you hear

1699
01:19:00,460 --> 01:18:57,650
Kachina in the Pueblo Indian tradition

1700
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:00,470
that basically is talking about a form

1701
01:19:09,460 --> 01:19:06,410
of a God form that you could say our

1702
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:09,470
star people in a rough general way

1703
01:19:15,010 --> 01:19:11,600
there's different types of Kachinas and

1704
01:19:17,770 --> 01:19:15,020
one type do you know well actually

1705
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:17,780
they're all supposedly from outside the

1706
01:19:21,370 --> 01:19:19,850
earth here whether they're coming from

1707
01:19:23,470 --> 01:19:21,380
far away whether they're coming from

1708
01:19:26,380 --> 01:19:23,480
underground underwater that's open to

1709
01:19:28,150 --> 01:19:26,390
interpretation but according to Clifford

1710
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:28,160
they are star people star beings they're

1711
01:19:33,850 --> 01:19:30,530
coming from different you know stars

1712
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:33,860
different points in our I guess our

1713
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:38,239
galaxy and for many generations they

1714
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:40,489
interacted physically with the people

1715
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:43,489
until they started not to return people

1716
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:45,890
that they were taking they used to take

1717
01:19:49,870 --> 01:19:48,050
them and return them and then when they

1718
01:19:52,210 --> 01:19:49,880
started not returning them the the

1719
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:52,220
natives they said look we you know we'll

1720
01:19:58,990 --> 01:19:55,370
honor you and we'll keep your traditions

1721
01:20:02,229 --> 01:19:59,000
alive if you stop coming here and taking

1722
01:20:04,060 --> 01:20:02,239
our people and so the people kind of

1723
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:04,070
emulate the Kachinas now and that's

1724
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:08,239
these these these very intriguing masks

1725
01:20:13,090 --> 01:20:11,570
and outfits that the Pueblo Indians wear

1726
01:20:16,810 --> 01:20:13,100
when they do their their their

1727
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:16,820
ceremonies the Kachina masks

1728
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:21,170
those are replications of the star

1729
01:20:27,820 --> 01:20:23,120
beings what they look like and when

1730
01:20:31,540 --> 01:20:27,830
those dancers put on that that gear they

1731
01:20:35,050 --> 01:20:31,550
are assuming the role of the star people

1732
01:20:36,250 --> 01:20:35,060
that the star people used to do when

1733
01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:36,260
they were interacting with the people

1734
01:20:41,650 --> 01:20:39,710
and so anytime you see a Kachina doll

1735
01:20:44,290 --> 01:20:41,660
look at it carefully and look at some of

1736
01:20:47,410 --> 01:20:44,300
the the adornments and everything that's

1737
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:47,420
on that on those outfits has has a very

1738
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:50,000
deep meaning and has special relevance

1739
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,120
to the particular type of Kachina it is

1740
01:20:56,689 --> 01:20:55,520
the Kachinas are responsible for various

1741
01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:56,699
aspects of the

1742
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:59,699
of the of the culture whether it's has

1743
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:01,440
to do with the agriculture whether it

1744
01:21:05,379 --> 01:21:03,209
has to do with the weather whether it

1745
01:21:07,899 --> 01:21:05,389
has to do with their spiritual tradition

1746
01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:07,909
whether it has to do with the ancestors

1747
01:21:13,689 --> 01:21:10,679
and it's a very complicated system and

1748
01:21:18,859 --> 01:21:13,699
each of the Kachinas has its own group

1749
01:21:21,319 --> 01:21:18,869
or society that is responsible for that

1750
01:21:23,540 --> 01:21:21,329
particular Kachina the Pueblo people are

1751
01:21:25,459 --> 01:21:23,550
divided up into ended clans that are

1752
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:25,469
matrilineal the women sign all the

1753
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:28,110
contracts on all the property so you

1754
01:21:31,850 --> 01:21:29,610
have a clan system you have a medicine

1755
01:21:34,219 --> 01:21:31,860
Society tradition and then you have a

1756
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:34,229
Kachina society tradition and the

1757
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:36,690
interrelated relationships between those

1758
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:40,050
three are very very complicated and very

1759
01:21:46,580 --> 01:21:44,340
involved and because I'm not native I

1760
01:21:49,209 --> 01:21:46,590
don't really like to talk about this

1761
01:21:52,069 --> 01:21:49,219
publicly very much that's why I've

1762
01:21:54,169 --> 01:21:52,079
convinced Clifford to come out because

1763
01:21:56,419 --> 01:21:54,179
it's his traditional knowledge not mine

1764
01:22:00,649 --> 01:21:56,429
so I'm just giving you a real brief

1765
01:22:02,449 --> 01:22:00,659
cliff notes thumbnail kind of set of

1766
01:22:05,180 --> 01:22:02,459
information here clifford goes into much

1767
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:05,190
greater detail and walking in both

1768
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:07,530
worlds being a you know a scientist

1769
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:12,420
engineer and also being a a an elder in

1770
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:17,510
you know his his zoomy culture he has

1771
01:22:23,870 --> 01:22:21,360
has a pretty amazing set of information

1772
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:23,880
that he's gone public with and and it

1773
01:22:30,379 --> 01:22:28,440
had some some personal peril I mean you

1774
01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:30,389
know he's divulging things that that

1775
01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:32,820
some of the Zuni don't even talk to with

1776
01:22:35,629 --> 01:22:33,510
each other

1777
01:22:37,759 --> 01:22:35,639
and so but he's come out he's been on

1778
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:37,769
quite a number of TV shows now he's done

1779
01:22:43,969 --> 01:22:41,280
conferences you know around the country

1780
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:43,979
and I helped him with his PowerPoint

1781
01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:46,320
presentations and you know helped him

1782
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:48,840
scan things and put his PowerPoint

1783
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:51,090
presentations together and if you have a

1784
01:22:56,569 --> 01:22:53,159
chance to to get him on the show easy

1785
01:22:59,479 --> 01:22:56,579
he's a great guest he's funny he's a

1786
01:23:03,199 --> 01:22:59,489
he's a trickster great sense of humor

1787
01:23:06,469 --> 01:23:03,209
and he moved from Zuni down here to the

1788
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:06,479
town where I live and so I'm he's

1789
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:08,930
Kemosabe on Tonto

1790
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,930
oh wait yeah okay yeah I'll talk off air

1791
01:23:15,370 --> 01:23:13,520
and get this information I love to this

1792
01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:15,380
okay love to have them on that's that's

1793
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:18,110
fine yes I thought I've being a fine

1794
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:19,970
arts and antiques appraiser I've just

1795
01:23:26,830 --> 01:23:23,450
even just two weeks ago I appraised a

1796
01:23:29,980 --> 01:23:26,840
Kachina doll collection and mostly

1797
01:23:34,420 --> 01:23:29,990
contemporary but they do go back there

1798
01:23:36,610 --> 01:23:34,430
are I have some I have had some catalogs

1799
01:23:38,710 --> 01:23:36,620
some 19th centuries so I'm not sure how

1800
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:38,720
long the tradition of actually making

1801
01:23:44,740 --> 01:23:42,710
the dolls for one goes but I think it's

1802
01:23:46,570 --> 01:23:44,750
that legal it goes way way back there's

1803
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:46,580
there's three different types of Kachina

1804
01:23:53,470 --> 01:23:49,610
dolls there's the traditional dolls that

1805
01:23:55,390 --> 01:23:53,480
are well there's the the small dolls for

1806
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:55,400
the kids and then there's versions of

1807
01:24:00,730 --> 01:23:57,770
those small small sized dolls that are

1808
01:24:03,580 --> 01:24:00,740
about a foot tall that are flat that are

1809
01:24:07,420 --> 01:24:03,590
the traditional style and then you have

1810
01:24:10,150 --> 01:24:07,430
the full three-dimensional you know sort

1811
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:10,160
of accurate replicas which of the

1812
01:24:16,350 --> 01:24:12,890
artistic versions which which are the

1813
01:24:19,150 --> 01:24:16,360
valuable ones that are more of a modern

1814
01:24:20,830 --> 01:24:19,160
incarnation of the form and of course

1815
01:24:23,740 --> 01:24:20,840
the Hopi were the ones that were the

1816
01:24:26,110 --> 01:24:23,750
first ones to really start making these

1817
01:24:28,420 --> 01:24:26,120
dolls available I stopped at the camera

1818
01:24:30,910 --> 01:24:28,430
on trading posts on every one of my my

1819
01:24:34,030 --> 01:24:30,920
Grand Canyon tours and they have an

1820
01:24:38,130 --> 01:24:34,040
incredible collection of dolls there and

1821
01:24:39,490 --> 01:24:38,140
I've been slowly adding to my collection

1822
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:39,500
um

1823
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:40,880
someone wanted to know about the Blue

1824
01:24:49,540 --> 01:24:43,760
Star Kachina do you are you familiar

1825
01:24:52,810 --> 01:24:49,550
with what that is yes I do and again I'm

1826
01:24:57,220 --> 01:24:52,820
really unwilling to talk about that it's

1827
01:24:59,950 --> 01:24:57,230
it's zanuck my apples are my cat's

1828
01:25:04,780 --> 01:24:59,960
freaking out about something but oh oh

1829
01:25:06,190 --> 01:25:04,790
he has a mouse get that thing I can take

1830
01:25:08,530 --> 01:25:06,200
our first mouse I've ever seen in my

1831
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:08,540
house I can take a quick break if you'd

1832
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:12,320
like to take care of that she'll

1833
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:21,260
well there's definitely a first on the

1834
01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:27,450
show have a cat person sorry about that

1835
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:30,510
yeah yeah it's definitely a first at the

1836
01:25:35,380 --> 01:25:32,340
door because now the mouse came in and

1837
01:25:42,530 --> 01:25:35,390
it's hiding in my office here somewhere

1838
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:42,540
yeah yeah make this stuff up all right

1839
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:43,110
James

1840
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:46,890
where were we I was you said you were

1841
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,960
unwilling to talk about the blue start

1842
01:25:52,130 --> 01:25:50,400
oh you know who start much you know yes

1843
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:52,140
and I could talk about you look for

1844
01:25:55,940 --> 01:25:54,330
about that much part me

1845
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:55,950
I can talk to Clifford about that if

1846
01:25:59,540 --> 01:25:57,210
he's willing to talk about it when he's

1847
01:26:02,510 --> 01:25:59,550
on the show well let me just answer

1848
01:26:06,710 --> 01:26:02,520
answer answer it this way that is one of

1849
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:06,720
the most misunderstood and

1850
01:26:13,340 --> 01:26:10,490
misrepresented a bit of hopi information

1851
01:26:15,980 --> 01:26:13,350
that has come out of sedona and there

1852
01:26:19,870 --> 01:26:15,990
are so many people trying to to Palm off

1853
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:19,880
their own versions of that particular

1854
01:26:26,990 --> 01:26:23,760
prophecy story there's different

1855
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:27,000
versions of it but I just refused to go

1856
01:26:30,890 --> 01:26:28,110
there because there's so much

1857
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:30,900
disinformation out there about it it's

1858
01:26:36,020 --> 01:26:33,510
it's actually been a really big problem

1859
01:26:38,510 --> 01:26:36,030
up at the Hopi reservation with people

1860
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:38,520
going up there hearing a version of it

1861
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:40,440
and then and then putting their own spin

1862
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:43,110
on it it's you know the crystal pack and

1863
01:26:47,180 --> 01:26:44,880
mom is here in Sedona have really been

1864
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:47,190
doing a number on the Hopi with this and

1865
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:49,770
you know claiming all these things that

1866
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:52,110
aren't you know part of the part of the

1867
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:55,050
actual indigenous information and so

1868
01:26:59,690 --> 01:26:58,050
that's the one area that I really do not

1869
01:27:01,520 --> 01:26:59,700
want to get into because there's so much

1870
01:27:05,690 --> 01:27:01,530
misinformation about it sure another

1871
01:27:07,850 --> 01:27:05,700
yeah yes opposite Travis Walton has been

1872
01:27:10,940 --> 01:27:07,860
coming up all night on the on the

1873
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:10,950
message board are you do you speak with

1874
01:27:18,530 --> 01:27:14,970
him yeah yeah of course he the the event

1875
01:27:23,540 --> 01:27:18,540
in November 75 just happened right along

1876
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:23,550
the rim about 60 miles east of me oh is

1877
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,010
that right yes oh I didn't realize that

1878
01:27:31,220 --> 01:27:28,800
was that what was that not snow what's

1879
01:27:31,490 --> 01:27:31,230
it called well he lived in snow flake

1880
01:27:33,410 --> 01:27:31,500
but

1881
01:27:35,690 --> 01:27:33,420
was itwas south of Heber right on the

1882
01:27:40,460 --> 01:27:35,700
Moghuls room Hebrew that's right yeah

1883
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:40,470
and so I I really little creek if you

1884
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:41,600
really want to know the exact location

1885
01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:45,090
yeah a turkey clean sorry that's one of

1886
01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:46,980
these stories that I think you know I

1887
01:27:52,190 --> 01:27:48,900
mean I've spoke to Travis many many

1888
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:52,200
times and to me I think it's one of the

1889
01:27:57,710 --> 01:27:56,250
most solid stories out there and someone

1890
01:28:03,350 --> 01:27:57,720
wanted to know what your opinion was on

1891
01:28:06,290 --> 01:28:03,360
that on his yeah you know I've I've

1892
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:06,300
known Travis now for a number of years

1893
01:28:11,540 --> 01:28:09,120
and I spent an afternoon with him and

1894
01:28:14,540 --> 01:28:11,550
Tracy Torme who was the producer of the

1895
01:28:18,890 --> 01:28:14,550
fire in the sky movie and spent several

1896
01:28:23,230 --> 01:28:18,900
hours with him good quality time when he

1897
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:23,240
goes into that thousand yard stare it's

1898
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,910
it's it's pretty compelling I've caught

1899
01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:28,320
him I've caught him kind of going off

1900
01:28:34,220 --> 01:28:30,840
into that that on a number of occasions

1901
01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:34,230
and you know I really think the guy had

1902
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:37,110
that experience I think it may not have

1903
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:40,050
been what people have spun it into being

1904
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:43,530
about aliens from other planets he was

1905
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:47,490
never really told rarely do you hear

1906
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:50,250
about the humanoid the humans that he

1907
01:28:58,370 --> 01:28:53,370
saw apparent human types that that were

1908
01:29:00,820 --> 01:28:58,380
he saw people you know take the the

1909
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:00,830
middle part of the movie that

1910
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:04,560
Hollywood's you know total fabrication

1911
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:05,730
of what happened while he was on the

1912
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:07,920
ship only two of those shots of that an

1913
01:29:13,460 --> 01:29:10,650
entire sequence actually happened he

1914
01:29:16,580 --> 01:29:13,470
didn't wake up in a slimy cocoon right

1915
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:16,590
in poke a needle in his eye you know all

1916
01:29:21,710 --> 01:29:18,570
that stuff was just sensationalized

1917
01:29:24,770 --> 01:29:21,720
Hollywood fear-mongering basically he

1918
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:24,780
and he and Tracy were livid about that

1919
01:29:28,190 --> 01:29:26,730
in fact they there was talk of taking

1920
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:28,200
getting their names taken off the movie

1921
01:29:35,180 --> 01:29:30,650
they were in legal action at one point

1922
01:29:41,230 --> 01:29:35,190
but you know it was already a fated huh

1923
01:29:45,089 --> 01:29:41,240
complete so they had unfortunately I

1924
01:29:48,330 --> 01:29:45,099
really do feel that that the event was

1925
01:29:51,540 --> 01:29:48,340
real clifford mahooty just up the road

1926
01:29:54,449 --> 01:29:51,550
at the Zuni Reservation up the road from

1927
01:29:58,649 --> 01:29:54,459
st. John's the town of st. John's had a

1928
01:30:01,889 --> 01:29:58,659
an amazing sighting in that two-week

1929
01:30:04,589 --> 01:30:01,899
period where Travis had his experience

1930
01:30:07,529 --> 01:30:04,599
that was right over there right over his

1931
01:30:12,349 --> 01:30:07,539
house his whole family saw it

1932
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:12,359
his father would refuse to talk about it

1933
01:30:19,649 --> 01:30:17,679
435 of almost 40 years and when Clifford

1934
01:30:23,489 --> 01:30:19,659
brought me over to meet his his father

1935
01:30:25,229 --> 01:30:23,499
finally he kind of mentioned yeah well

1936
01:30:26,849 --> 01:30:25,239
my dad saw it too but he'll never talk

1937
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:26,859
abut he's never talked about it

1938
01:30:32,849 --> 01:30:30,159
his father who was in his early 90s sat

1939
01:30:33,959 --> 01:30:32,859
me down and told me and Clifford was

1940
01:30:35,819 --> 01:30:33,969
flabbergasted

1941
01:30:39,629 --> 01:30:35,829
he never been able to get him to talk

1942
01:30:41,459 --> 01:30:39,639
about it and he was slowly told me what

1943
01:30:42,929 --> 01:30:41,469
he experienced they were able to had

1944
01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:42,939
night-vision binoculars they were able

1945
01:30:47,790 --> 01:30:45,369
to see the craft was just a few hundred

1946
01:30:49,290 --> 01:30:47,800
feet above they're there they're part of

1947
01:30:51,929 --> 01:30:49,300
the Pueblo where they lived they saw

1948
01:30:55,109 --> 01:30:51,939
beans something walking in front of lit

1949
01:30:59,399 --> 01:30:55,119
windows silhouettes and two weeks later

1950
01:31:01,679 --> 01:30:59,409
as his father died so and the only real

1951
01:31:03,689 --> 01:31:01,689
major wave of cattle mutilations that we

1952
01:31:06,869 --> 01:31:03,699
know of happened during the month prior

1953
01:31:10,859 --> 01:31:06,879
to Travis's case right in the same area

1954
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:10,869
so draw your own conclusions Wow

1955
01:31:15,509 --> 01:31:13,090
now I didn't realize a lot of I know

1956
01:31:17,099 --> 01:31:15,519
nice visions been around for a long long

1957
01:31:20,009 --> 01:31:17,109
time but I didn't realize that it was

1958
01:31:22,799 --> 01:31:20,019
really available and though I was at 75

1959
01:31:25,589 --> 01:31:22,809
his brother was a lookout in the Navy

1960
01:31:30,419 --> 01:31:25,599
and absconded with a pair

1961
01:31:36,779 --> 01:31:30,429
first-gen that makes sense yeah Wow

1962
01:31:39,989 --> 01:31:36,789
yeah so let's see I had another question

1963
01:31:43,229 --> 01:31:39,999
I wanted to get to because I thought it

1964
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:43,239
was pretty interesting and it's just one

1965
01:31:47,879 --> 01:31:44,530
that I would never think of and that was

1966
01:31:49,919 --> 01:31:47,889
another one in the the forum and if

1967
01:31:53,489 --> 01:31:49,929
extra there's a little bit of a long one

1968
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:53,499
so if extraterrestrial spacefaring if an

1969
01:31:57,659 --> 01:31:56,050
extraterrestrial spacefaring race had

1970
01:31:58,830 --> 01:31:57,669
long ago developed efficient

1971
01:32:01,290 --> 01:31:58,840
technologies

1972
01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:01,300
Tunnel and set up underground bases

1973
01:32:06,540 --> 01:32:04,450
wouldn't this be an efficient

1974
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:06,550
one-size-fits-all method for exploration

1975
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:09,520
and colonization of planetary bodies

1976
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:11,770
without having to limit their

1977
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:14,650
exploration to planets with non-hostile

1978
01:32:20,940 --> 01:32:18,910
surface conditions yeah yeah and I'm

1979
01:32:22,830 --> 01:32:20,950
looking at the question then might our

1980
01:32:24,750 --> 01:32:22,840
own human space exploration programs

1981
01:32:26,340 --> 01:32:24,760
benefit from a similar approach one that

1982
01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:26,350
could be tested and perfected on our own

1983
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:29,260
planet before using it on other planets

1984
01:32:32,580 --> 01:32:31,210
or the moon or whatever and you know how

1985
01:32:35,660 --> 01:32:32,590
do we know that we haven't already done

1986
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:35,670
that you know there's a whole body of

1987
01:32:39,870 --> 01:32:38,080
belief out there the breakaway

1988
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:39,880
civilization in the words of Richard

1989
01:32:44,250 --> 01:32:42,370
Dolan secret space program and all that

1990
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,260
I've never seen evidence to support any

1991
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:46,960
of that but I mean we are missing six

1992
01:32:51,150 --> 01:32:48,610
point six trillion dollars from the

1993
01:32:54,300 --> 01:32:51,160
Department of Defense yeah that buys you

1994
01:32:57,150 --> 01:32:54,310
a lot of tech you know and I had a guy

1995
01:33:00,360 --> 01:32:57,160
named Wayne Holland that I interviewed

1996
01:33:02,190 --> 01:33:00,370
back in the 90s who claimed that that we

1997
01:33:04,650 --> 01:33:02,200
were you know already on Mars and we've

1998
01:33:07,580 --> 01:33:04,660
been on the moon for quite some time

1999
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:07,590
Apollo was just a lot of after the fact

2000
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:10,510
sort of public relations that we had

2001
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:12,370
actually done all this before that in

2002
01:33:17,730 --> 01:33:14,290
the early 60s I have a hard time

2003
01:33:19,380 --> 01:33:17,740
believing this stuff but when he sat

2004
01:33:22,350 --> 01:33:19,390
down on the couch in my house my

2005
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:22,360
girlfriend had a cat that hated men the

2006
01:33:25,950 --> 01:33:24,130
workers who built her house had abused

2007
01:33:28,140 --> 01:33:25,960
the kitty throwing it up in the air and

2008
01:33:31,710 --> 01:33:28,150
just terrorized this poor little thing

2009
01:33:34,380 --> 01:33:31,720
whenever a a male would come around she

2010
01:33:37,290 --> 01:33:34,390
she'd immediately hide in seven years I

2011
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:37,300
never petted the cat once and when this

2012
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:39,930
guy came in and sat down on the couch

2013
01:33:46,170 --> 01:33:44,080
Miss Kitty ran into the room and lept up

2014
01:33:47,580 --> 01:33:46,180
in his lap and started purring and

2015
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:47,590
allowed him to patter so that that

2016
01:33:58,680 --> 01:33:57,300
so you know who knows an answer to the

2017
01:34:01,020 --> 01:33:58,690
question yeah of course it would be the

2018
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:01,030
smart way to you know to approach it

2019
01:34:07,550 --> 01:34:02,650
you're gonna be shielding yourself from

2020
01:34:10,770 --> 01:34:07,560
you know cosmic rays you know radiation

2021
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:10,780
the deeper you go on the planet the

2022
01:34:14,430 --> 01:34:12,010
warmer you get

2023
01:34:16,350 --> 01:34:14,440
you know like on earth if you go down to

2024
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,360
the bottom of the Kimberly diamond mines

2025
01:34:20,129 --> 01:34:18,400
I mean it's hundred and something

2026
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:20,139
degrees down there those poor guys are

2027
01:34:25,140 --> 01:34:22,480
sweating their tails off the lower you

2028
01:34:28,410 --> 01:34:25,150
go the hotter it gets and you know how

2029
01:34:31,649 --> 01:34:28,420
deep can we go we don't really know the

2030
01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:31,659
answer to that in terms of you know

2031
01:34:37,919 --> 01:34:34,480
classified facilities I've heard depths

2032
01:34:40,020 --> 01:34:37,929
of over a mile so you know that's what's

2033
01:34:42,660 --> 01:34:40,030
been bannered about you know again you

2034
01:34:45,259 --> 01:34:42,670
know these are rumors I have no way of

2035
01:34:47,729 --> 01:34:45,269
substantiating this but again I do

2036
01:34:50,580 --> 01:34:47,739
remind everybody Richard solder he's

2037
01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:50,590
he's the guy who wrote the book so I

2038
01:34:57,629 --> 01:34:55,289
would urge everybody to do your research

2039
01:35:00,839 --> 01:34:57,639
you know and choose your sources

2040
01:35:02,220 --> 01:35:00,849
carefully and do your research you know

2041
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:02,230
people forget that humans are very

2042
01:35:07,799 --> 01:35:05,110
ingenious and a lot of the stuff that we

2043
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:07,809
see flying around could be black black

2044
01:35:12,029 --> 01:35:09,760
projects that have been operational for

2045
01:35:14,729 --> 01:35:12,039
a number of years that are being flown

2046
01:35:19,290 --> 01:35:14,739
around as is plausible deniability for

2047
01:35:20,819 --> 01:35:19,300
our you know our military and it would

2048
01:35:22,740 --> 01:35:20,829
not surprise me in the least and a

2049
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:22,750
sizable percentage of what people think

2050
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:25,510
are UFOs are actually you know our

2051
01:35:32,220 --> 01:35:29,530
missing tax dollars at work and play you

2052
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:32,230
know what's a government's job a

2053
01:35:36,450 --> 01:35:35,050
government's job is to control the

2054
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:36,460
populace okay

2055
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:38,320
the best way to control the populace is

2056
01:35:44,220 --> 01:35:41,440
is you know always keep them guessing

2057
01:35:48,060 --> 01:35:44,230
but but always be you know in a position

2058
01:35:49,649 --> 01:35:48,070
to always have the answer well the very

2059
01:35:52,379 --> 01:35:49,659
fact that the government doesn't have an

2060
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:52,389
answer to the UFO question should give

2061
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:56,880
one pause you know that to me is is

2062
01:36:03,950 --> 01:36:00,639
interesting and and you know all this

2063
01:36:06,899 --> 01:36:03,960
talk about disclosure and you know

2064
01:36:09,419 --> 01:36:06,909
Obama's gonna disclose before the end of

2065
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:09,429
his term and all this I every time I see

2066
01:36:15,779 --> 01:36:12,489
that post up there I like on Facebook or

2067
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:15,789
wherever I challenge everybody and say I

2068
01:36:20,490 --> 01:36:17,440
have $100 in PayPal

2069
01:36:24,879 --> 01:36:20,500
I'll bet anybody $100 that that will not

2070
01:36:27,790 --> 01:36:24,889
happen and I haven't had any takers I

2071
01:36:30,669 --> 01:36:27,800
I've got 100 bucks I bet anybody $100

2072
01:36:33,159 --> 01:36:30,679
that not only will Obama not disclose

2073
01:36:36,850 --> 01:36:33,169
but I don't think we'll have any sort of

2074
01:36:40,689 --> 01:36:36,860
official disclosure ever obviously the

2075
01:36:42,729 --> 01:36:40,699
beans whomever they are are in charge of

2076
01:36:44,620 --> 01:36:42,739
the disclosure process though when when

2077
01:36:46,569 --> 01:36:44,630
there's disclosure it'll be their time

2078
01:36:48,580 --> 01:36:46,579
to pick and choose I think all these

2079
01:36:52,469 --> 01:36:48,590
other countries opening up their files

2080
01:36:55,389 --> 01:36:52,479
and doing this kind of sort of

2081
01:36:57,250 --> 01:36:55,399
half-assed disclosure it's just being

2082
01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:57,260
done to take the heat off the u.s. you

2083
01:37:03,270 --> 01:36:59,840
know and I don't think for a minute that

2084
01:37:05,770 --> 01:37:03,280
our government is the repository of

2085
01:37:08,290 --> 01:37:05,780
advanced knowledge about these about

2086
01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:08,300
these craft and possible entities I

2087
01:37:13,540 --> 01:37:10,369
think a lot of this has been sequestered

2088
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:13,550
into the military-industrial complex in

2089
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:16,489
terms of the aerospace companies where

2090
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:18,050
it's out of reach of Freedom of

2091
01:37:23,259 --> 01:37:20,570
Information Act requests yeah I think

2092
01:37:26,319 --> 01:37:23,269
that our elected officials or not don't

2093
01:37:29,529 --> 01:37:26,329
have a need to know for the most part I

2094
01:37:32,139 --> 01:37:29,539
don't think even the presidents are in a

2095
01:37:35,169 --> 01:37:32,149
position to know the full extent of our

2096
01:37:37,359 --> 01:37:35,179
knowledge I have a real hard time

2097
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:37,369
believing that we have back engineered

2098
01:37:44,169 --> 01:37:41,090
alien technology it'd be like giving a

2099
01:37:47,889 --> 01:37:44,179
cell phone to a Neanderthal bro for all

2100
01:37:51,969 --> 01:37:47,899
we know I mean you know read jiseok

2101
01:37:53,729 --> 01:37:51,979
filets novel fast walkers which he

2102
01:37:57,729 --> 01:37:53,739
co-wrote with Tracy Torme by the way

2103
01:37:59,620 --> 01:37:57,739
that's a really good example of probably

2104
01:38:02,379 --> 01:37:59,630
what's going on he had to fictionalize

2105
01:38:05,889 --> 01:38:02,389
things in there because he he was forced

2106
01:38:07,359 --> 01:38:05,899
to but you know and I saw a question on

2107
01:38:09,370 --> 01:38:07,369
there about element 115

2108
01:38:12,609 --> 01:38:09,380
they've already discovered element 115

2109
01:38:14,139 --> 01:38:12,619
way after Lazar and has nothing nowhere

2110
01:38:16,359 --> 01:38:14,149
near the properties that Lazar talked

2111
01:38:18,339 --> 01:38:16,369
about you know I think there's a lot of

2112
01:38:20,949 --> 01:38:18,349
disagreement or something like that

2113
01:38:25,989 --> 01:38:20,959
right yeah it's it's it only exists for

2114
01:38:29,259 --> 01:38:25,999
a nanosecond right yeah you know people

2115
01:38:32,109 --> 01:38:29,269
have to understand that the UFO

2116
01:38:35,490 --> 01:38:32,119
community is totally been compromised

2117
01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:35,500
and infiltrated with disinformation

2118
01:38:42,030 --> 01:38:38,230
this the whole thing with Tom DeLonge to

2119
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:42,040
me it's just a dog and pony show I won't

2120
01:38:50,030 --> 01:38:46,260
believe any of this until something real

2121
01:38:52,830 --> 01:38:50,040
concrete is presented I think he's a

2122
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:52,840
grandstander I think he's a little bit

2123
01:38:59,940 --> 01:38:55,360
more believable than someone like a

2124
01:39:02,160 --> 01:38:59,950
Steven Greer or David Wilcock or Corey

2125
01:39:05,010 --> 01:39:02,170
Goode or these every six months there's

2126
01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:05,020
some new bozo coming out with all these

2127
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:07,780
claims with no documentation with no

2128
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:12,210
evidence no dd-214 document for instance

2129
01:39:19,230 --> 01:39:16,290
and I think that's part of the the

2130
01:39:21,450 --> 01:39:19,240
disinformation program is to every six

2131
01:39:26,130 --> 01:39:21,460
months every year or so come out with a

2132
01:39:28,230 --> 01:39:26,140
Pete Peterson a dan burisch Dodie you

2133
01:39:30,570 --> 01:39:28,240
know pulling the wool over Linda's eyes

2134
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:30,580
at Kirtland I mean the example after

2135
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:33,010
example after example down down you know

2136
01:39:40,440 --> 01:39:37,110
one after another the mj-12 documents

2137
01:39:42,660 --> 01:39:40,450
the you know this supposed Holliman

2138
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:42,670
footage that Robin Emma Nagar and Jamie

2139
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:44,890
Shan Darrow were promised by the Air

2140
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:47,620
Force the Holloman landing footage blah

2141
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:50,290
blah blah blah blah it's it's just

2142
01:40:00,630 --> 01:39:56,800
happened too many times folks you'll

2143
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:00,640
understand what I'm saying yeah well you

2144
01:40:08,070 --> 01:40:03,010
know the the one thing about Tom DeLonge

2145
01:40:09,780 --> 01:40:08,080
that I think is good at least he's and

2146
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:09,790
and this could all be disinformation

2147
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:11,530
there is you know a lot of people are

2148
01:40:17,790 --> 01:40:14,560
saying this is what is happening but he

2149
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:17,800
seems to be at least opening some doors

2150
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:19,690
and getting some people involved and I

2151
01:40:24,750 --> 01:40:21,970
guess you know one thing and during the

2152
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:24,760
news Alejandro said that I agree with is

2153
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:27,280
we will know something one way or the

2154
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:30,970
other you know in fairly short amount of

2155
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:33,610
time in other words if things don't come

2156
01:40:40,110 --> 01:40:36,610
to fruition then you know he's gonna

2157
01:40:42,030 --> 01:40:40,120
have to talk about it yeah but why Tom

2158
01:40:44,610 --> 01:40:42,040
DeLonge I mean what's the motivation of

2159
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:44,620
getting some you know punk rocker to to

2160
01:40:50,580 --> 01:40:48,010
hang up his guitar quit his band

2161
01:40:53,130 --> 01:40:50,590
I mean what's what I was the guy's got

2162
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:53,140
plenty of dough yeah no motivation to do

2163
01:41:00,300 --> 01:40:57,010
that it's it's a big ego thing Danny its

2164
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:00,310
grandstanding yeah but you know I mean

2165
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:03,130
if if he actually can do these things

2166
01:41:07,530 --> 01:41:05,350
where other people can't

2167
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:07,540
you know then perhaps more power to them

2168
01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:10,330
yeah I mean which is just a weight off

2169
01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:13,720
my hat and genuflect at the and i inau

2170
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:18,040
blink 182 times but I know you've seen

2171
01:41:23,490 --> 01:41:21,280
this you've seen this a lot and oh I

2172
01:41:25,890 --> 01:41:23,500
should say we only have about eight

2173
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:25,900
minutes and there was someone that may

2174
01:41:30,450 --> 01:41:28,090
have wanted to call in and I forgot all

2175
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:30,460
about that so if you still want to call

2176
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:36,370
in you're listening dial 603 967 403 Oh

2177
01:41:39,690 --> 01:41:38,290
again we only got about five minutes but

2178
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:39,700
you're welcome to call in if you'd like

2179
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:44,080
to so so what's what's next are you are

2180
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:47,530
you doing I think on your last show you

2181
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:49,360
mentioned that you may have a follow-up

2182
01:41:54,030 --> 01:41:51,520
to your last book which was by the way

2183
01:41:55,620 --> 01:41:54,040
six eleven working on right I'm working

2184
01:41:57,090 --> 01:41:55,630
on one you are okay

2185
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:57,100
yeah with David Perkins who's the

2186
01:42:01,350 --> 01:41:59,280
grandfather of mute ology if you will

2187
01:42:03,930 --> 01:42:01,360
he's the one that trained Linda Howe

2188
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:03,940
back in the 70s that's he's the first

2189
01:42:08,820 --> 01:42:06,400
person she went to he's one of my

2190
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:08,830
dearest closest friends has written a

2191
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:14,050
foreword to all my books and is the most

2192
01:42:17,729 --> 01:42:15,730
knowledgeable person in this field and

2193
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:17,739
is an incredibly brilliant brilliant guy

2194
01:42:22,170 --> 01:42:20,710
it's got a master's in political science

2195
01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:22,180
from Yale

2196
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:25,000
just brilliant off the charts thinker

2197
01:42:32,210 --> 01:42:28,270
very creative thinker was is really into

2198
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:32,220
earth earth earth system science

2199
01:42:37,050 --> 01:42:35,770
formerly known as Gaia theory we've been

2200
01:42:42,090 --> 01:42:37,060
working on some pretty pretty

2201
01:42:45,630 --> 01:42:42,100
interesting exotic angles looking at a

2202
01:42:47,490 --> 01:42:45,640
lot of this information kind of looking

2203
01:42:50,490 --> 01:42:47,500
at it from a collective unconscious sort

2204
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:50,500
of manifestation by the collective to

2205
01:42:54,630 --> 01:42:52,000
draw us off planet some sort of

2206
01:42:56,580 --> 01:42:54,640
evolutionary imperative we're looking at

2207
01:42:59,400 --> 01:42:56,590
some pretty exotic theories we're also

2208
01:43:01,260 --> 01:42:59,410
looking at a lot of data and the book

2209
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:01,270
mute speak will be

2210
01:43:05,790 --> 01:43:03,760
the analysis of stocking the herd I

2211
01:43:07,290 --> 01:43:05,800
don't go into a lot of analysis and

2212
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:07,300
stock in the herd because I didn't have

2213
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:11,410
enough of room it's 600 pages and you

2214
01:43:16,140 --> 01:43:13,810
know it's gonna be another 4 or 500 page

2215
01:43:19,470 --> 01:43:16,150
book if we're lucky it'll be that small

2216
01:43:22,770 --> 01:43:19,480
just to analyze all that data now what

2217
01:43:25,740 --> 01:43:22,780
about where you're at now does like for

2218
01:43:29,220 --> 01:43:25,750
instance if there was a cattle a cow

2219
01:43:31,650 --> 01:43:29,230
cattle that that was mutilated to say in

2220
01:43:34,050 --> 01:43:31,660
your area do does anyone know that

2221
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:34,060
you're you have relocated or would you

2222
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:37,360
be contacted or contacted about

2223
01:43:41,550 --> 01:43:40,210
note-case last year and the rancher duck

2224
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:41,560
me and didn't didn't really want to deal

2225
01:43:46,590 --> 01:43:44,650
with me yeah we do it's just which is

2226
01:43:48,330 --> 01:43:46,600
you know one out of 10 is is our

2227
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:48,340
estimate of how many cases actually get

2228
01:43:54,210 --> 01:43:52,570
reported in this particular case was the

2229
01:43:56,700 --> 01:43:54,220
rancher coming out and fastened up but

2230
01:43:59,160 --> 01:43:56,710
then ducking ducking myself and another

2231
01:44:00,660 --> 01:43:59,170
investigator when we went up there I

2232
01:44:02,970 --> 01:44:00,670
actually went up to the ranch it

2233
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:02,980
happened 40 miles from here so the first

2234
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:06,400
cases that I've heard of and there's one

2235
01:44:10,530 --> 01:44:07,840
of the reasons why I moved Arizona is

2236
01:44:12,300 --> 01:44:10,540
because they don't have cases my

2237
01:44:15,060 --> 01:44:12,310
favorite thing in the world is to go out

2238
01:44:19,050 --> 01:44:15,070
and investigate a dead rotting pile of

2239
01:44:21,330 --> 01:44:19,060
cow flesh believe me it's not fun yeah

2240
01:44:23,820 --> 01:44:21,340
well I bet it's not but it must be when

2241
01:44:25,650 --> 01:44:23,830
you get into the cases like the one you

2242
01:44:28,140 --> 01:44:25,660
talked about earlier with the the brain

2243
01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:28,150
cavity was you know dry and empty and

2244
01:44:34,410 --> 01:44:31,270
all that I mean that I mean when

2245
01:44:36,690 --> 01:44:34,420
something is that bizarre I mean it must

2246
01:44:40,710 --> 01:44:36,700
really be fascinating in a way even

2247
01:44:43,550 --> 01:44:40,720
though well yeah and like rubbernecking

2248
01:44:49,410 --> 01:44:43,560
had a really nasty highway accident sure

2249
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:49,420
yeah and so but how about were you used

2250
01:44:53,820 --> 01:44:51,730
to live our people still trying to get

2251
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:53,830
in touch with you about ongoing things

2252
01:44:59,570 --> 01:44:56,890
oh yeah yeah they are or Chuck Zukowski

2253
01:45:03,900 --> 01:44:59,580
is getting some of the the more

2254
01:45:05,370 --> 01:45:03,910
questionable cases Chuck's in the you

2255
01:45:09,390 --> 01:45:05,380
know the Front Range Colorado Springs

2256
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:09,400
Denver area and he's been making some

2257
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:11,290
hay off cases that happened years ago

2258
01:45:15,089 --> 01:45:13,690
he's still talking about him on to the

2259
01:45:16,919 --> 01:45:15,099
media and stuff

2260
01:45:18,839 --> 01:45:16,929
I normally don't approach the media when

2261
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:18,849
I when I get a case I tried to keep it

2262
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:22,719
quiet until my investigation is is

2263
01:45:27,330 --> 01:45:25,119
completed and I have the permission by

2264
01:45:28,890 --> 01:45:27,340
the rancher when ranchers come out and

2265
01:45:33,149 --> 01:45:28,900
really want a lot of publicity and stuff

2266
01:45:35,879 --> 01:45:33,159
and that that's me is a kind of kind of

2267
01:45:38,970 --> 01:45:35,889
you know bells go off um yeah my book

2268
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:38,980
when that happens especially when you

2269
01:45:42,930 --> 01:45:40,690
don't background check the ranches and

2270
01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:42,940
you find out about insurance scams and

2271
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:45,310
you know you ask around the ranching

2272
01:45:48,030 --> 01:45:46,480
community well what do you think of this

2273
01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:48,040
guy and then you start comparing

2274
01:45:51,689 --> 01:45:50,409
people's opinions about people Chuck

2275
01:45:54,780 --> 01:45:51,699
doesn't do that

2276
01:45:58,050 --> 01:45:54,790
now unfortunately yeah I investigate I

2277
01:46:00,089 --> 01:45:58,060
investigate the rancher as well as the

2278
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:00,099
cow believe me yeah when something like

2279
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:03,250
that happens just is just I have no idea

2280
01:46:05,970 --> 01:46:04,449
how these things work

2281
01:46:09,180 --> 01:46:05,980
what's when something like that happens

2282
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:09,190
and it's a real mysterious situation are

2283
01:46:14,669 --> 01:46:12,639
they still covered for insurance no very

2284
01:46:16,979 --> 01:46:14,679
few of these ranches ranchers carry

2285
01:46:20,810 --> 01:46:16,989
insurance for their other animals not

2286
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:20,820
that it's it's just I mean some do but

2287
01:46:26,220 --> 01:46:23,440
you know something like this unless they

2288
01:46:29,220 --> 01:46:26,230
can prove that the animal was was

2289
01:46:32,010 --> 01:46:29,230
targeted it's just it's just written up

2290
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:32,020
as a as it's just a you know mundane

2291
01:46:39,359 --> 01:46:35,440
natural loss 2% of all cows die every

2292
01:46:42,089 --> 01:46:39,369
year you know 2% of the herd dies every

2293
01:46:43,229 --> 01:46:42,099
year so there's a lot of dead cows out

2294
01:46:44,939 --> 01:46:43,239
there and these these guys generally

2295
01:46:46,589 --> 01:46:44,949
know what they're looking at but you

2296
01:46:48,270 --> 01:46:46,599
know I've had know how many ranches have

2297
01:46:50,910 --> 01:46:48,280
said you have to drain my dam Bessie

2298
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:50,920
it's drained of blood and all I have to

2299
01:46:54,419 --> 01:46:52,840
do is get you know you know somebody to

2300
01:46:57,959 --> 01:46:54,429
help me and I turn the thing over and

2301
01:47:02,250 --> 01:46:57,969
whoosh yeah keno also activated gravity

2302
01:47:05,819 --> 01:47:02,260
yeah yeah well yeah interesting never

2303
01:47:08,430 --> 01:47:05,829
thought of that Wow yeah well I we're

2304
01:47:10,919 --> 01:47:08,440
just at the end of the show now and do

2305
01:47:14,250 --> 01:47:10,929
you want to go ahead and give out your

2306
01:47:17,609 --> 01:47:14,260
website and also the are you on every

2307
01:47:19,290 --> 01:47:17,619
show of the para cast yeah well I lately

2308
01:47:21,060 --> 01:47:19,300
I've been kind of missing a few but yeah

2309
01:47:24,780 --> 01:47:21,070
generally I am the official co-host for

2310
01:47:28,890 --> 01:47:24,790
the Parekh assets the para cast com th e

2311
01:47:31,620 --> 01:47:28,900
PA RA CAS t-dot-com

2312
01:47:35,730 --> 01:47:31,630
we have a very active forum community

2313
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:35,740
there we have a 500 plus show archive we

2314
01:47:41,070 --> 01:47:38,800
ask tough questions and and you know we

2315
01:47:43,470 --> 01:47:41,080
really do try to extraordinary claims

2316
01:47:45,900 --> 01:47:43,480
require some evidence you know for the

2317
01:47:48,510 --> 01:47:45,910
most part I know that I've kind of

2318
01:47:51,090 --> 01:47:48,520
mentioned a few that don't that are just

2319
01:47:53,460 --> 01:47:51,100
purely anecdotal but I think my work

2320
01:47:55,230 --> 01:47:53,470
speaks for itself I do have a website

2321
01:47:59,660 --> 01:47:55,240
that hasn't been updated in a while I've

2322
01:48:03,660 --> 01:47:59,670
been so busy our strange planet calm and

2323
01:48:08,700 --> 01:48:03,670
just if you want to peruse through my

2324
01:48:13,250 --> 01:48:08,710
database just do a Google search SLV s's

2325
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:18,630
eventlog SLV event log and what will

2326
01:48:22,890 --> 01:48:20,170
come up is I can give you the actually

2327
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:22,900
the address right now my database has

2328
01:48:29,610 --> 01:48:27,280
been public for 15 years Wow I don't

2329
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:29,620
want anybody who wants my data is

2330
01:48:35,190 --> 01:48:32,800
welcome to it well I have to say Chris

2331
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:35,200
we're out of time so I'm gonna say good

2332
01:48:38,670 --> 01:48:35,650
night

2333
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:38,680
all right thanks a lot Chris take care

2334
01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:41,920
and I'll talk to you soon all right all

2335
01:48:45,180 --> 01:48:43,420
right everyone thanks so much for

2336
01:48:48,750 --> 01:48:45,190
listening live and we'll be back next

2337
01:48:51,930 --> 01:48:48,760
week our guest just told me tonight and

2338
01:48:55,290 --> 01:48:51,940
he was from the x-files that he can't be

2339
01:48:57,180 --> 01:48:55,300
on next week so I am going to get

2340
01:48:59,190 --> 01:48:57,190
someone else for our guest next week and

2341
01:49:01,170 --> 01:48:59,200
that will be posting our website on

2342
01:49:02,580 --> 01:49:01,180
Sunday and you'll be able to see that in

2343
01:49:04,440 --> 01:49:02,590
a forum I want to thank everyone for

2344
01:49:06,060 --> 01:49:04,450
listening and I want to thanks that

2345
01:49:28,510 --> 01:49:06,070
everyone helped out on the show and I